Which rally should they add to the WRC-calendar?

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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun

Are you on drugs? What Rally's Classic Location are you talking about? Alsace? Proudly traditional since... 2010! Come on, don't be stupid!

Anyway, Brazil is one of the most fast-growing markets in the WORLD. It's not coincidence is F1 is trying to keep the race in, although in a old-crappy circuit. Furthermore, X Games has invested quite a lot of money there for not a properly remarkable event, but many sponsors found a wide place to sell their products, so it's "ok". At the moment, Brazil has the WORLD'S MOST expensive investments in place from the Government: motorways, airports, stadiums, entire downtowns for World Cup and Olympics. It's not just Volkswagen affair, as ALL conglomerates decided to open plants, etc.

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San Remo

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Originally Posted by trickydicky

San Remo

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Again? San Remo doesn't have roads that fits actual safety requests for WRC. Don't let me write same things since years...
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Anyway, I'm talking about the Country. We have lots of fast and flowing gravel roads in Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna coasts, close to Rimini/Ravenna. No worry about that, we don't have gravel roads just in Sardinia. You know, San Marino Rally in ERC and there's a good "hub" for Rally HQ and maybe a Superspecial: Misano World Circuit... what else?

P.S.: waiting an answer for Brazil...

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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun

Again? San Remo doesn't have roads that fits actual safety requests for WRC. Don't let me write same things since years...
:talk: :talk: :talk:

Anyway, I'm talking about the Country. We have lots of fast and flowing gravel roads in Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna coasts, close to Rimini/Ravenna. No worry about that, we don't have gravel roads just in Sardinia. You know, San Marino Rally in ERC and there's a good "hub" for Rally HQ and maybe a Superspecial: Misano World Circuit... what else?

P.S.: waiting an answer for Brazil...

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To be honest I'm not really sure what you are going on about. By San Remo I mean the rally that used to take part in most of Northern Italy and was based in San Remo. The cruddy little version of the early 00's is not my cup of tea. What I would want would be Tarmac stages around San Remo on day/evening one, Tuscan dirt roads day 2/3 and tar again to finish off. If it was all on gravel, all in Tuscany/Emilia Romagna and called 'The Rally of Italy' that would do me, or if an alternative base was needed, that's fine too. What I meant was it is preferable to have the classic stages, in the classic places with lost of fans, rather than on an island away from the fans to please a few cash happy Qatari princes. Have a look at some old San Remo rally's on Youtube, educate yourself.

None of your points on Brazil interest me in the slightest. So the Brazilian government has loads of cash, maybe they should spend some so that the people who live in their cities have somewhere clean to live, or on tackling their crime problems, rather than on attracting glitzy sporting events to make them look good. I don't see why having a load of new airports and motorways is so great either, unless you want drag race special stages down motorways and runways? Brazilians are not intersted, there would be no-one watching and it would cost a fortune to get to, it all seems pointless to me. If Brazilian companies want to sponsor a team, they can crack on, but they don't deserve a round on the basis of what you have said.

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Let me say you couldn't be employed as a CEO in any important company, IMHO. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

As I told you, Sanremo tarmac roads can't be used anymore. Too much requests from FIA (safety areas, alternative roads, exclusive media access, etc.) to get enough roads available for a WRC loop... :)

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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun

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Let me say you couldn't be employed as a CEO in any important company, IMHO. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

As I told you, Sanremo tarmac roads can't be used anymore. Too much requests from FIA (safety areas, alternative roads, exclusive media access, etc.) to get enough roads available for a WRC loop... :)

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That's fine by me, I would never want to be.

Whatever exclusive media access is sounds like something that could be done away with, but for me the best part of the San Remo were the gravel roads anyway, and if Germany is too close to Alsace then San Remo and Monte Carlo aren't a million miles apart either.

Coldirodi, Ronde and Colle Langan were all in the IRC San Remo last year, so that makes me think they are perfectly viable for a WRC event, regardless of the FIA's current requirements, and therefore the old San Remo format is still something that could be done.

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Originally Posted by trickydicky

That's fine by me, I would never want to be.

Whatever exclusive media access is sounds like something that could be done away with, but for me the best part of the San Remo were the gravel roads anyway, and if Germany is too close to Alsace then San Remo and Monte Carlo aren't a million miles apart either.

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ACM would NEVER share the organization of a WRC event. They fund and run alone their event and don't want anyone else with them. That's clear. Also is clear that political status in WRC between ACM and FIA is different than Italian ASN and FIA. Many "ratifications" on the route were approved in Monte, but not in Italy. Different views in Paris... :)

But these are too-much technical arguments that doesn't fit to this forum. Let's continue discuting...

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Originally Posted by trickydicky

Coldirodi, Ronde and Colle Langan were all in the IRC San Remo last year, so that makes me think they are perfectly viable for a WRC event, regardless of the FIA's current requirements, and therefore the old San Remo format is still something that could be done.

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IRC attracted about 8-times less people than last WRC run in 2003, on the the same roads. Quite different organization approach, isn't it? As I saw many hairpins with lots of spectators in the outer side of its, due to the lack of safer spectators areas. Although rally organizers tried to dissuade fans to come in...

If is not Sardinia, we all have to consider Tuscany or Emilia-Romagna/Marche as alternative areas. San Remo doesn't fix actual WRC standards anymore. So, please resign yourself to that.

I see that the Tuscan Rewind has had to cancel the stages around Chianti area due to resident issues. Is that an indication that gravel roads are becoming harder to secure on the mainland?

Trickydicky, you're right on the money with your comments regards a WRC round in Brasil. It would make a nonsense to run a round there. Size of car market is irrelevant.

I thought of a way of bypassing the problem of how to have a 14 round WRC and please the marketing departments of car manufacturers, Malcolm Wilson, normal rally fans and traditionalists. I decided the best solution would be to have two separate championships; one called the 'Global Marketing Bandwagon' and one called the 'World Rally Championship'. The former would be for whichever car manufacturers wanted to take part with purpose built prototypes based on super-minis, and the latter for private entrants in modified 2wd road cars of any type. I have even thought of calendars for each.

GMB:
1: Norway. A snow rally of around 250km.
2. Mexico. Large growing car market, lots of people, keen government, plenty of sponsors.
3. Brazil. See above and then add some. One stage could be a drag race down one of their new motorways past an airport, so as to showcase the country's steadily improving infrastructure.
4. USA. Could be held at the same time as the Pikes Peak hill climb, one stage up and one back down, short enough to fit in one TV show.
5. Turkey. Massive country, massive population, plenty of folk to sell cars to.
6. Italy. Could be held in Sardinia as an act of good will towards our Qatari friends to encourage them to open their wallets a little further.
7. Qatar. Might as well have one there too. It would all be paid for, obvs.
8. Abu Dhabi/Dubai. I can't tell them apart so either would do.
9. Jordan. The king there seems keen and isn't short of cash.
10. China. Somewhere near Shanghai, on featureless gravel roads in front of no spectators other than government employees paid to go there for the day. Entirely state funded.
11. Indonesia. Massive population of potential car buyers.
12. India. See above.
13. Russia. See above. Apparently has more billionaires than anywhere else, so good sense says we should go, and its not as if they are short of countryside, or forests either. But to save cost we'd keep it to 100km.
14. Wales Rally Wales. Based in Cardiff and held in Margam, Resolfen and Port Talbot forests. 3 stages repeated four times each past strategically placed 'visit Wales' banners. Ceremonial duties undertaken by Tom Jones.

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1. Monte Carlo. 3 legs. The first one from Aix les Baines to Monte Carlo, the second from Monte Carlo up to Gap, through the Ardeche and bag to Monte Carlo. Leg 3 'la nuit du Turini'.
2. Sweden. Based in Karlstad, held in Varmland forests, hopefully on snow, fairly quick and a sprint event in nature.
3. Portugal. Held on roads in the hills north of Lisbon, including Fafe and Arganil. Last leg at night on tarmac roads around Sintra.
4. Safari. 'Open road' event in Kenya, Mombasa to Nairobi and back, at Easter.
5. Tour de Corse. 24 hour event, starting at lunchtime on Saturday, leg 1 from Ajaccio to Bastia through the mountains, time for a shower and a coffee in Bastia, leg two along the coast between Bastia and Ajaccio.
6. Acropolis. Based in Athens, held over northern and western Greece, very rough stages, very hot, about 1000km long.
7. Argentina. Based in Cordoba, would be close to 1000km in length and have very long stages.
8. New Zealand. Held on sweeping Gravel roads on North Island.
9. 1000 lakes. Sprint event of 400km or so held on fast gravel roads in central Finland. Much as it has always been.
10. Australia. Preferably in Perth with a leg in the Bunnings complex.
11. San Remo. Based in said town. First leg at night on tar in mountains near San Remo. Leg two on gravel in Tuscan area, then back over the passes to San Remo.
12. Catalunya. Would have to have that stage under the flyover, it looks good.
13. 'RAC' Rally. 4 day event in November. Spectator stages on first day. Then 3 days and nights near on non stop through various forests in northern England, Scotland and northern Wales.
14. Morocco. Held on fast, rough gravel and sand roads, over 1000km, car breaker.

I'd bet one would last longer and attract more fans than the other!

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Originally Posted by trickydicky

And you think having an event on Sardegna purely as a marketing tool for a Qatari owned holiday resort is preferable to having an event in one of rally's classic locations close to a whole shed load of fans? How utterly depressing, which department of the FIA do you work in?

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What is wrong with Sardegna in your opinion? How many times have you seen a rally in there? And what do you mean by classic location? Compering to other rallies there is everything you can expect from gravel rally, blind crests, water splashes, jumps, hairpins, fast and slow sections, easy to move between stages, no problem with parking etc. For me Sardegna and Corsica are classic locations,as well as Deutschland Rally. I don't care much about Asia as it is very unlikely I will go there to spectate a rally. WRC is purely European series and apart crowds in Argentina there is no much interest anywhere else due to various reasons. For rally fan it is important to have as many rallies in Europe as possible but if you just follow rallies from behind the screen of your computer or TV they can even go to the Moon, it doesn't matter if you are not going to be there. There is no logic in calendar for years, there are no clear rules as for choosing rallies and spectators opinion is the last thing they worry about.

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Originally Posted by rallyfun

What is wrong with Sardegna in your opinion? How many times have you seen a rally in there? And what do you mean by classic location? Compering to other rallies there is everything you can expect from gravel rally, blind crests, water splashes, jumps, hairpins, fast and slow sections, easy to move between stages, no problem with parking etc. For me Sardegna and Corsica are classic locations,as well as Deutschland Rally. I don't care much about Asia as it is very unlikely I will go there to spectate a rally. WRC is purely European series and apart crowds in Argentina there is no much interest anywhere else due to various reasons. For rally fan it is important to have as many rallies in Europe as possible but if you just follow rallies from behind the screen of your computer or TV they can even go to the Moon, it doesn't matter if you are not going to be there. There is no logic in calendar for years, there are no clear rules as for choosing rallies and spectators opinion is the last thing they worry about.

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I have nothing against Sardinia/Sardegna at all, it is a beautiful island, it has a wonderful climate and I'm sure very friendly people, and you are right it is a classic rally location, the Costa Smeralda Rally is a long standing European event. I would have no problem with there being a rally in the WRC there if the reasons were those you and I have stated. My issue was that Motorsportfun suggested there should be a round there because Qatari Princes have invested a lot of money there. That is not a good enough reason for me. And as nice as Sardinia is, Tuscany/Emilia Romagna is even nicer!
Everything you say I agree with, the WRC is a European phenomenon and the majority of the rallies should be held there.

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Originally Posted by trickydicky

Everything you say I agree with, the WRC is a European phenomenon and the majority of the rallies should be held there.

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Phenomenon is a bit generous. WRC isn't a "European phenomenon", rallying as a sport is. However I do agree that the WRC should retain it's European foothold, the job of the WRC is promote this "European phenomenon" on an international level. That means showing the world how it is done in your own backyard and then taking it on tour. While I think WRC needs someone like Bernie Ecclestone with the drive to take a sport to new countries, it shouldn't be at the expense of the classic European events that holds the sport's tradition. It annoys me when people say WRC shouldn't go to Brazil because there is no interest in rallying there. WRC should go there and show why it is a great sport. If the manufacturers want an event there because it is a huge market, then do it. Volkswagen's PR machine alone is capable of creating interest. If all is successful then the sport gains more fans, and that is something rallying needs right now. I would imagine when the WRC first went to Argentina in 1980 there was little interest in the sport. Now look at it, it is one of the most successful spectator rallies in the world.

I think one of the biggest problems is teams do not want to do more than 13 rounds. If they would agree to do more, or be allowed to only compete in a few of the rounds (of whatever the new total number of events per season is) then maybe we could have some of our favourites back (for example Corsica) and add some new events (maybe something from the Middle East Rally Championship).

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Originally Posted by Hazza555)

Phenomenon is a bit generous. WRC isn't a "European phenomenon", rallying as a sport is. However I do agree that the WRC should retain it's European foothold, the job of the WRC is promote this "European phenomenon" on an international level. That means showing the world how it is done in your own backyard and then taking it on tour. While I think WRC needs someone like Bernie Ecclestone with the drive to take a sport to new countries, it shouldn't be at the expense of the classic European events that holds the sport's tradition. It annoys me when people say WRC shouldn't go to Brazil because there is no interest in rallying there. WRC should go there and show why it is a great sport. If the manufacturers want an event there because it is a huge market, then do it. Volkswagen's PR machine alone is capable of creating interest. If all is successful then the sport gains more fans, and that is something rallying needs right now. I would imagine when the WRC first went to Argentina in 1980 there was little interest in the sport. Now look at it, it is one of the most successful spectator rallies in the world.

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For Bernard Ecclestone read David Richards. He tried, and failed. There is nothing wrong with having a round in Brazil, if it really is that important to some folk, but as you say, not at the expense of a classic European event.

Nice discussion, in according to me one of the biggest problems is team do not want to do more then 11 rounds.If they would agree to do more , or be allowed to only compete in a few of the round then may be , we could have some of favorites back and some new events.

I really hope that they won't decide on anything (too) stupid tommorrow and they won't take out rally New-Zealand and Italy, and what for China???, they should be adding rallies to the calendar not removing. You can put Japan back, alongside Corsica instead of Alsace. Also they should bring back Australia to Perth and put it alongside NZ, yes at the same year like they did up until 2006.

You have to keep in mind that there is a limit to how many rounds the calendar can handle. We have 13 at the moment because the teams felt that 16 was not feasible. And with less and less entires, expanding the calendar simply isn't possible. Not unless the series could attract another manufacturer - or, preferably, two.

What they need, is events that pay the pay to cover the costs of competitors so extra events are not a burden....

It's already expensive enough to run a rally as it is, and now you want to saddle the organisers with an extra financial brden?

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Originally Posted by trickydicky

And you think having an event on Sardegna purely as a marketing tool for a Qatari owned holiday resort is preferable to having an event in one of rally's classic locations close to a whole shed load of fans? How utterly depressing, which department of the FIA do you work in?

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Go home dude and study Sardinia's rally-history and heritage!

These roads have been defined like "rally-university"! Particularly, Tergu-Osilo stage has been much appreciated by Gronholm, Sainz, Loeb, Rovanpera, Schwartz, etc... they all - with their respective teams, during their development runs - learned lots of things they then adopted in WRC events all around the world.

Mainly, Costa Smeralda roads have been, years ago, one of the toughest and challenging gravel roads of the European Rally Championship until 1994, facing fresh and innovative stages year-after-year also to champions like Markku Alen, Didier Auriol, Juha "KKK" Kankkunen and Henri Toivonen.

So, please show some respect to one of the wildest and toughest gravel events in Europe and WRC, yet in 2013.

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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun

Go home dude and study Sardinia's rally-history and heritage!

These roads have been defined like "rally-university"! Particularly, Tergu-Osilo stage has been much appreciated by Gronholm, Sainz, Loeb, Rovanpera, Schwartz, etc... they all - with their respective teams, during their development runs - learned lots of things they then adopted in WRC events all around the world.

Mainly, Costa Smeralda roads have been, years ago, one of the toughest and challenging gravel roads of the European Rally Championship until 1994, facing fresh and innovative stages year-after-year also to champions like Markku Alen, Didier Auriol, Juha "KKK" Kankkunen and Henri Toivonen.

So, please show some respect to one of the wildest and toughest gravel events in Europe and WRC, yet in 2013.

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Agree, best event on gravel in Europe to spectate.

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

It's already expensive enough to run a rally as it is, and now you want to saddle the organisers with an extra financial brden?

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If all these other events want to be part of WRC, why not make them pay to the benefit of the competitors?

It's the way it works in all other forms of world championship motorsport. Hell, it's the way it works in the ERC - except the money goes to Eurosport, rather than the competitors!!

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Originally Posted by rallyfiend

If all these other events want to be part of WRC, why not make them pay to the benefit of the competitors?

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Because you'll be the first one to complain when the likes of Rally GB - which relies on government funding - are removed from the calendar becase they cannot afford the additional costs. It's all well and good to say that the events should pay the competitors if they want to be a part of the championship, but the problem is that most of these events are operating on a tight budget and the astronomical price rise will likely kill many of the events.

@Prisoner Monkeys: Isn't it a shame that events like Mexico have only 25 crews? The logistic costs for European WRC events are not so big compared to the overseas events... All in all, even without the boat trip, those events are still more expensive for the teams as the cost of transport of all crews is multiple times that of a European event. Cars/parts/tools/service park tents etc are away from the workshop for a much longer time, I can imagine that teams have to buy many things which they would normally not need. There was some article, maybe on irally, about recce-cars. Richard Millener (M-Sport) was explaining how it all works. He said they have extra recce cars which are used for the events outside Europe only, they are shipped from Mexico to Argentina, from Argentina to Australia, if I'm not mistaken. I remember that an event like Islas Canarias (ERC) paid for the boat-transport of teams. Maybe it would be a good thing if the organizers from those (far away) events pay for the boat trip, not only for the big teams, but especially for privateers it would make a difference.

First of all someone (FIA?) needs to define the rules under which rally calendar is made up. Is it purely money, location, size of the country, teams decision, spectator wishlist or number of spectators on stages? Anything that would give an idea, at the moment I have no clue what and why is going on. I have seen many rallies and I like some more that others but there some that I have no idea why they are in calendar for various reasons. At the same time there are great rallies with huge media and spectators interest that has been once or never in WRC.
Besides that WRC should be more balanced sport-wise with more winter rallies.

Does anyone of any driver opinions on the calendar? After all, their the ones that have to put on "the show". I know Mikko is in favour of endurance type events. (Probably because he is not fast enough to win the modern day form of a rally and hence believes he could keep his car on the road for long enough)

All three Baltic countries could be added as one event for WRC :)

I seem to recall that idea being floated before, with a rally starting in Vilnius and travelling overland to Tallinn (or the other way around).

But I don't think it would work. I'm pretty sure there are rules that dictate that a certain number of stages must be run twice over the course of the rally, and such a rule would be counter-productive to a rally from one city to another.

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

I seem to recall that idea being floated before, with a rally starting in Vilnius and travelling overland to Tallinn (or the other way around).

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In Estonia it wouldn't even go that much into north. Most likely would be in Southern Estonian stages. But yeah, that long endurance rally idea disappeared quite fast.

The idea was to go from Villa Carlos Paz to Sao Paulo. But then the Brazilians decided that they wanted to have their own rally, and now they're holding a candidate event and lobbying to be on the 2014 calendar.

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

The idea was to go from Villa Carlos Paz to Sao Paulo. But then the Brazilians decided that they wanted to have their own rally, and now they're holding a candidate event and lobbying to be on the 2014 calendar.

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Is there any info about these candidate events both Brazil and China are running?

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

Is there any info about these candidate events both Brazil and China are running?

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On Rally Erechim (biggest event in Brazil and also first round of FIA-Codasur Championship) there was a portuguese watching the rally that was being presented as a FIA delegate. But, besides that, there was no info that the event was candidate event.

Here in Brazil, for the last years, there were 3 'fronts' battling to bring a WRC event here. Two of them had ideas of candidate events still this year (both on the second half of the year) but none of them will happen. So, if Brazil really had a candidate event and is willing to be on the 2014 calendar, then Rally Erechim was it.

There is not a lot of information about this around here, things are being made in secret.

I agree in pricipal, you,can not force rally into a poor country far away from rally tradition and hope it will be a full list of participants, to fill up from the 6 pro-cars from the manufacturers.

the idea is so stupid that it can only be thought out by a pencil pusher in the open and democratic organisation called FIA!
The only place rally,couldmhave a chance to expand is into Canada/USA, where there is still some money. But it has to be done via better Internet/ TV coverage than today.

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Originally Posted by trickydicky

I thought of a way of bypassing the problem of how to have a 14 round WRC and please the marketing departments of car manufacturers, Malcolm Wilson, normal rally fans and traditionalists. I decided the best solution would be to have two separate championships; one called the 'Global Marketing Bandwagon' and one called the 'World Rally Championship'. The former would be for whichever car manufacturers wanted to take part with purpose built prototypes based on super-minis, and the latter for private entrants in modified 2wd road cars of any type. I have even thought of calendars for each.

GMB:
1: Norway. A snow rally of around 250km.
2. Mexico. Large growing car market, lots of people, keen government, plenty of sponsors.
3. Brazil. See above and then add some. One stage could be a drag race down one of their new motorways past an airport, so as to showcase the country's steadily improving infrastructure.
4. USA. Could be held at the same time as the Pikes Peak hill climb, one stage up and one back down, short enough to fit in one TV show.
5. Turkey. Massive country, massive population, plenty of folk to sell cars to.
6. Italy. Could be held in Sardinia as an act of good will towards our Qatari friends to encourage them to open their wallets a little further.
7. Qatar. Might as well have one there too. It would all be paid for, obvs.
8. Abu Dhabi/Dubai. I can't tell them apart so either would do.
9. Jordan. The king there seems keen and isn't short of cash.
10. China. Somewhere near Shanghai, on featureless gravel roads in front of no spectators other than government employees paid to go there for the day. Entirely state funded.
11. Indonesia. Massive population of potential car buyers.
12. India. See above.
13. Russia. See above. Apparently has more billionaires than anywhere else, so good sense says we should go, and its not as if they are short of countryside, or forests either. But to save cost we'd keep it to 100km.
14. Wales Rally Wales. Based in Cardiff and held in Margam, Resolfen and Port Talbot forests. 3 stages repeated four times each past strategically placed 'visit Wales' banners. Ceremonial duties undertaken by Tom Jones.

WRC:
1. Monte Carlo. 3 legs. The first one from Aix les Baines to Monte Carlo, the second from Monte Carlo up to Gap, through the Ardeche and bag to Monte Carlo. Leg 3 'la nuit du Turini'.
2. Sweden. Based in Karlstad, held in Varmland forests, hopefully on snow, fairly quick and a sprint event in nature.
3. Portugal. Held on roads in the hills north of Lisbon, including Fafe and Arganil. Last leg at night on tarmac roads around Sintra.
4. Safari. 'Open road' event in Kenya, Mombasa to Nairobi and back, at Easter.
5. Tour de Corse. 24 hour event, starting at lunchtime on Saturday, leg 1 from Ajaccio to Bastia through the mountains, time for a shower and a coffee in Bastia, leg two along the coast between Bastia and Ajaccio.
6. Acropolis. Based in Athens, held over northern and western Greece, very rough stages, very hot, about 1000km long.
7. Argentina. Based in Cordoba, would be close to 1000km in length and have very long stages.
8. New Zealand. Held on sweeping Gravel roads on North Island.
9. 1000 lakes. Sprint event of 400km or so held on fast gravel roads in central Finland. Much as it has always been.
10. Australia. Preferably in Perth with a leg in the Bunnings complex.
11. San Remo. Based in said town. First leg at night on tar in mountains near San Remo. Leg two on gravel in Tuscan area, then back over the passes to San Remo.
12. Catalunya. Would have to have that stage under the flyover, it looks good.
13. 'RAC' Rally. 4 day event in November. Spectator stages on first day. Then 3 days and nights near on non stop through various forests in northern England, Scotland and northern Wales.
14. Morocco. Held on fast, rough gravel and sand roads, over 1000km, car breaker.

I'd bet one would last longer and attract more fans than the other!

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so in the comming weeks they will present us the callendar let's hope it will be a good one,i can't wait for them to have 16 events again, it makes it so much intersting...

16? Where have you heard that? They are going down to 12 next year.

i haven't heard that, i'm saying that i can't wait until it will be back to 16 events, i know it what happen for the next couple of years, i hope it will return ASAP. you say they are going down to 12 events-not cool, how do they expect to draw more manufacturers to the sport if they won't bring more events. i hope they'll at least bring corsica instead of alsace and keep greece and sardegna in the calendar.

does anyone has any idea what is going to be the WRC calendar for next year???

Due to be announced at the FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting on the 28th June.

too much time to wait...