Maybe Prodrive is 'renting' Sordo for extra cash.
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Maybe Prodrive is 'renting' Sordo for extra cash.
I believe it was Japan 2004.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
That year Ford nominated pilots were Martin and Duval in most events. Tuohino was nominated in Sweden and Finland but he also did Wales.
So the last rally without a Finn in a Ford WRC was Japan 2004. The last rally without a Finn nominated to score points for Ford was Wales 2004.
Yes, I know that is what is said. News about that "phantom test" said that the reason of doing it for Novikov was seeing by himself how fast the Mini could be, before choosing a car for this season. I don't what private Mini drivers get from Prodrive, but there are many of them. If the reason for competing with a car were only the money, everyone would drive the cheaper one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
In the future I'll trust in your word, someone gave the wrong information to the original source from where everyone copied.
Back to topic, finally there won't be today an official announcement about the chosen driver for replacing Latvala.
I don`t know why drivers work with Mini. Factory Minis are in the same pace as private Fords. Private Minis are slow with any driver... And also their price is higher. I don`t understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Patrik Sandell talked about 150.000 Euros to do the swedish rally with the Mini.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
Is 150.000E expensive? :confused:
That's with his and codriver's salary.
Athanasoulas Fiesta for Acropolis was 110.000 euro if i remember correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Thanks Slowson!So about 140,000 euros like mini.We just have to think that maybe now prices will be less due to more cars available for rent from other teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Good move by Wilson, Sordo is very fast and reliable. On par with Hirvonen.
Yep, good move but Sordo is perhaps faster than Hirvonen.
So 140.000 without testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
The 150.000 from Sandell was with a full day testing in sweden.
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Originally Posted by dimviii
So arrive and drive price €150k for one European event, extra for testing. Think last year Sordo was talking €1m for 10 or so European events in the Fiesta.
So buy in bulk...........
If it becomes true, it's a good opportunity for Sordo, but IMO he is slower than Mikko, much more on gravel with a car without experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
If he didn't win a rally with the C4 in his many starts, it's impossible a win in Argentina with the Fiesta. But as I wrote, it would be a good opportunity for his future, mainly if the "tale" Latvala & VW were true.
It's a wrong perspective. Sordo was always limited at Citroen. Loeb was the number 1 and Sordo was the number 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Very true, Sordo was clearly second driver at Citroen, so was Ogier supposed to be but he didn't follow the script. Don't underestimate Sordo and his gravel capabilities, I hope he gets to prove what he can do on asphalt as well in Fiesta WRCQuote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Ogier was also number 2 when last season started and he won rallies. Even more, he won Portugal before driving the official car. Sordo was limited by Citroen only in a few rallies. He would be the perfect teammate for Latvala, not for Solberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
But let's wait for an official announcement.
Sordo's speed in a Mini has been impressive in present, Citroen days are history and people can evolve.
they started equal... Citroens policy was that all drivers start equal but whoever gets a safe lead in points becomes the No1... that No1-No2 was just propaganda from the bitter losers... Ogiers wins early in the season proved that last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
On tarmac, as always. Portugal was a mirage due to start order. Sordo got his second positions on gravel for several reasons (in a similar way as the Ostberg's win in Portugal), having never the speed of the winner. To evolve is what Ogier did last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Maybe not the winner on all surfaces, but is very competitive everywhere - even in Sweden which is event for specialist drivers (nordic). And you can't beat others by minute if you're slow, even if you have good road position. Sordo has evolved and I'm sure he will show it in Argentina. Very underrated driver, but Wilson did a good move. Hopefully he will be in works team next year. Ogier is fast, but has too many accidents on his belt. Or maybe I'm mistaken and Mini is really that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Must be crazy to give all that money in low profile sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
Sordo driving on gravel is a fake.... He will be ever a good 2nd driver and never a good 1st driver....Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
You're right. They were equal. At least until Loeb started to flirt with Volkswaggen and blackmailing Citroen with leaving the team if he will not be no. 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
To N.O.T: Sotirhos is a very fast driver in tarmac, faster than most of the pirelli drivers in Tarmac. His disadvantage was that he has no experience in gravel. Having good memory is good. What is best is to write good pace notes and trust them. Don't be so critical about Greek drivers..
Don't compare just the price, if you don't know the accident excess and-or the pre event test. It can go from 120 to 190 depending on those parameters
It is very hard not to... from as long as i remember every greek "rally driver" and their grandmother has the potential to become world class but somehow they all have failed...and it is not because they lack skills but due to some magical unexplained force.Quote:
Originally Posted by GINE
To become a world class driver you need a lot of money, time and it is easier if you are Finnish or French. Being Greek is very difficult. But please don't be so cruel. It is easier to criticise as a spectator than to be in a car and try to be fast. Don't underestimate the effort of a lot of drivers. Greek or nonGreek...
I do not think that money is the main problem... neither is time.Quote:
Originally Posted by GINE
Nobody said it is easy to be fast, it needs very hard work, dedication and be at the right place in the right time....but so does everything in life to be successful... rally driving is no different than the other sports or even professions.
When you are exposed to public in any way and weather the people you are exposed to are 10 or 100000000... critisism is inevitable when someone does something better than you or you do something better than the rest...
Nobody asked to have a WRC manufacturer driver... but to have a good representative in IRC or even in ERC is a very realistic target...but in Greece we prefer to be champions in everything we do only in words and in the relative media.
It was Quesnel that gave them equal status. I often wonder if Loebs new contract one of the requirements to him staying was that Quesnel had to leave, it was funny how he left at the end of the season!Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocone
Back on topic, I havent been following the news much today, MW said they would announce who the new driver was today, has anything came of it?
Must say I'm glad there's no more Quesnel and his voice around.
Daniel Sordo was never authorized to fight Loeb directly, as Ogier was in Portugal 2010 when won for the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Besides that, at Citroen Sordo was always a slow driver in gravel, and with Mini he was not slow on gravel.
There are a lot of things that could be explained, and maybe one day will be. Until then, Sordo will prove his real value as probably never was authorized to do it at Citroen.
nonsense... Ogier won last year and was allowed to win while the battle for the championship was close.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
And why sordo is going to be allowed to show real pace in the ford ??? Solberg is now No1 for sure so if sordo is quicker he will definately be asked to slow down.
Well I have been waiting by the phone and it hasn't rung yet, but as much as I would like to drive the Fiesta in Argentina if he calls I have to say no since I just got out of hospital and am covered in bloody bandages and full of drugs---but I am lighter than before I went in. Who needs appendix any way?Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
FordWRC fb page said they were announcing today and that was a couple hours away, so shouldn't be too long now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Edit - The fb page said they aren't announcing today, helps when you read the whole post!
John/ Hope you have a fast recovery and be back asap in your garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
+1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
The deal Sordo-Ford has been signed. The announcement is a question of hours.
Edit: Press says that he is on his way to UK for 3 days of testing with the Ford Fiesta WRC prior to Argentina, but this is not official (Wilson says that they're very expensive).
Why nonsense? Ogier was allowed to do it, but Sordo wasn't. Catalunia 2007 was a good example.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T