Rally2 (ex-R5) News

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Originally Posted by Sulland

FIA has set the max price for R5 to 180 000€.

Looking in retrospect, the 268 000€ pricecap on S2000NA from 2006/07 has been kept pretty well, all considered. Lets hope production numbers on R5 will make sure the same thing happen here!

180 000€ is still a lot of money, and the first number we heard for R5 was as far as I remember was 100 k €, so it has risen a lot during the planning phase....

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Max price for S2000 settled by FIA was of 168.000€, not 268.000€ like you mention.

On initial proposals it was intended to be 150.000€, but it has raised to 168.000€, with an tolerance of 15%. Obviously no manu respect it (even if they annouced it), so top spec S2000N/A prices came close, or above, 300.000€.

italiaspeed.com

Gatt: S2000 is affordable : Rallye-Info.com

RED Motorsport Ltd - World Rally Team Brochure Download

http://fiestas2000.com/index.php/com...-startdown/57/

At the same way, the 180.000€ target price for R5 will be totally over passed, and this type of cars, even if less expensive than S2000 to mantain, will only be accesible to proteams. Amateurs will have to stay with aging N4 material or change to 2wd...

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Originally Posted by Mirek

It's strange that there are always two sets of rules for same car. These general ones and than more specific homologation regulations which usually aren't officially presented on FIA website...

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Transperancy is 'important' to FIA it seems, if what you say is correct. What do they have to loose by being open on tech regs?

I don't think it's a secret but it's just not published on FIA website. So what we know from these general rules is just A (for example that some part must be either stock or homologated) but there is not the B (what does it actually mean that it can be homologated).

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Originally Posted by Arganil

Max price for S2000 settled by FIA was of 168.000€, not 268.000€ like you mention.

On initial proposals it was intended to be 150.000€, but it has raised to 168.000€, with an tolerance of 15%. Obviously no manu respect it (even if they annouced it), so top spec S2000N/A prices came close, or above, 300.000€.

italiaspeed.com

Gatt: S2000 is affordable : Rallye-Info.com

RED Motorsport Ltd - World Rally Team Brochure Download

S2000 Sales Document

At the same way, the 180.000€ target price for R5 will be totally over passed, and this type of cars, even if less expensive than S2000 to mantain, will only be accesible to proteams. Amateurs will have to stay with aging N4 material or change to 2wd...

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If I'm not mistaken those 168.000 was original limit for kit not for complete car (I don't know if some other manufacturer besides Peugeot sold the car as kit). But of course we don't know if the new limit is for complete car or also for just a kit.

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

The problem now is that classes/cars are overlaying each other too much now, I think (RRC, S2000, R4, R5), but I think time will solve this "problem", especially if R5 is cheaper and faster. The most important factor is the price, and I think FIA is doing a good job with limiting several things (like described in regulations). It's important that there are affordable and proper competition cars available for private drivers. Let's hope the IRC can become a championship where also privateers can play some role, at least for a few years (before the gap with factory-teams grows too big)...

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At the beginning R5 will probably be sligthly cheaper and slower than actual S2000, but very soon they'll become more expensive and faster, simply because they're factory cars and will be used to dispute an international rally championship (IRC). Peugeot and Skoda won't surely be shy in spending loads of money in their R5 cars permanent development, so, sadly, there's no way private drivers will have a chance in this arms race.

It seems that costs for internaitonal rallying are more prohibitive than ever. s2000 is nearly as expenseive as a WRC.

No, it isn't. The difference in running costs is big, at least from what people running such cars told me (if we speak about 2 litre NA S2000 against WRC).

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Originally Posted by Arganil

At the beginning R5 will probably be sligthly cheaper and slower than actual S2000, but very soon they'll become more expensive and faster, simply because they're factory cars and will be used to dispute an international rally championship (IRC). Peugeot and Skoda won't surely be shy in spending loads of money in their R5 cars permanent development, so, sadly, there's no way private drivers will have a chance in this arms race.

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Quite likely there is neither works Škoda nor Peugeot next year in the IRC so let's see what the championship can look like without factories directly involved...

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Originally Posted by Arganil

Max price for S2000 settled by FIA was of 168.000€, not 268.000€ like you mention.
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Of course, my mistake! And that was for just asfalt kit.

From idnes.cz

http://oidnes.cz/12/093/org/FDV462139_DSC06261.JPG

Beautiful color scheme! Hope they keep it

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...98833204_n.jpg

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads6/506...-Fiesta_R5.jpg

EightGear, I think that is a photoshop of RRC plus new front! But looks aggressive and pretty indeed!!!

Hopefuly Toyota is next showing a little bit of what the Yaris could be :)

Next one is Peugeot-Sport to show the 208 R5 tomorrow thursday :p :

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Originally Posted by Mirek

From idnes.cz

http://oidnes.cz/12/093/org/FDV462139_DSC06261.JPG

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Isn't there pics of the pug r5 in the other r class news thread already?

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Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

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Lion shaped lights are just awsome piece of art!

What is the biggest difference between WRC/S2000 and R5???

The most important shall be the maintenance cost. Peugeot claims the rebuild cycles will be 3000-5000 stage kilometers. Otherwise it shall be simpler construction of engine (using bigger restrictor instead), only five-speed gearbox or interchangeable front/rear suspension.

Thanks Mirek.

Love the looks of the 208 in R5 version, hopefully the speed match!

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Love the looks of the 208 in R5 version, hopefully the speed match!

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Did Peugeot ever built a slow car? ;)

I want to see the R5 208 in Peugeot UK Meeke colours

Peugeot 208 Type R5 - Exclusive photos:
rallysport.hu - Peugeot 208 Type R5

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

The whale wasn't a succes. Also their 207 R3 is the slowest car in their class, but that's on purpose. The 206 S1600 wasn't really the best car in the class also, or am I wrong? :)

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The whale actually wasn't slow at all as proved by Henning, Garde or Galli in 2006. The problem of Peugeot Sport in 2005 was more likely in using Pirelli tyres.

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Originally Posted by Salist

Peugeot 208 Type R5 - Exclusive photos:
rallysport.hu - Peugeot 208 Type R5

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I'm in love!

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Originally Posted by Mirek

I'm in love!

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especially the surrounding cars :)

For me it's nicer than the rest around. Just from the look ;)

http://rallysport.hu/images/2012/pho...to_001_jpg.jpg

for me nothing beats 205T16

The colour scheme is the best part of it for me, much better than the silver or red of the 206WRC

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Quite likely there is neither works Škoda nor Peugeot next year in the IRC so let's see what the championship can look like without factories directly involved...

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Exactly. The best years of IRC were when we had Skoda and Peugeot battling one another.

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Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

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nice butt....

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

The 206 S1600 wasn't really the best car in the class also, or am I wrong? :)

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with clio s1600 best duo imho.

like this 208!!! really impressive from all the angles!

Looking forward to 208 WRC :)

The 208 really does look the dogs dangly bits!

I really am looking forward to seeing how these R5 cars perform on the stage as in princible it looks like a very good basis for a WRC car :)

More photos from autorevue.cz
http://www.autorevue.cz/files/895736534.JPG
http://www.autorevue.cz/files/46121620.JPG

Stock steering rack?
http://www.autorevue.cz/files/253958636.JPG

how you know it?