What it will look like from the Grandstands
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What it will look like from the Grandstands
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Little better?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
If they just got rid of the airbox and reduced the size of /streamlined the massive humps in front of the wheels it would be ok from that angle.....Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I am also thinking black is not a great color on this car - the lack of contrast with the tires really muddies the lines a bit.....
It draws your eyes up... away from the rest of the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalPVguy
I was under the impression that the current engine is being used as the new ones aren't ready yet - hence the air box.
No, it's got the new V6 Honda turbo in it. I think the air box is there because someone in IndyCar wanted to give a styling cue to the old Dallara for the long time IRL faithful and so it didn't look like it belonged to the CART/CC lineage. After seeing the rest of the car, as a long time CART fan, I must say thank you. :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by jwhite9185
This is so obviously a car designed by a comittee. One half wanted open wheels, the other half wanted closed wheels, so they just did both. One guy designed the bumpers, another the sidepods and a third the nose. But then the fourth guy wanted to design something, so they had to put an airbox on for him.
I'm not a fan.
It's an ugly design, there's no getting around that. I like the rear end and a few pieces on the side but for the most part it is not eye-catching other than as weird/ugly. On the other hand, performance is more important and that is to be determined. Randy Bernard is finally on twitter and has been answering a bunch of fan questions today, some promising responses in there including record breaking speeds at IMS:
I thought i may have been a bit harsh in my original assessment of the cars beauty butt... ugly it is in this grandstand shot. I'm not an aerodynamicist or a sculpture but surely this design is where form and function lie in a tangled heap on the floor.
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Originally Posted by Chris R
You may have a point there Chris, but at the same time, I'm skeptical that it would change the appearance much. I don't know if you have ever seen the TV show "King of the Hill", but there is a line from a character named Khan that I think applies here. "You can put lingerie on a monkey, but it's still a monkey".
Really? Some of you really like that airbox? Is it necessary? And as far as it being more racy? Most of the fastest cars have been sleek and sexy! If this is what they're going for, it's a disgrace! Someone is succeeding at doing away with this series for good!
I personally don't mind the sidepods that much, but that car as it sits certainly won't get me out of my chair to purchase tickets, pics, memberships etc........
Do they want this series to be the worst/ugliest series in history?
I'm still hopeful for an exciting future in Indycar, but don't have a good feeling about it currently.......
This car is garbage it makes the COT look good. I don't even know how to describe it. Theres no design language, it looks as if random junk was thrown together. It reminds me of that old show junk yard wars if they had to make a open wheel car, or semi open wheel car.
P.S. Ill be the 1st to say it but I think the old car looks better lol.
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Originally Posted by Jared East
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!!!
Some truth in that, but without the ugly airbox ""see photoshop"" IMO it does look better.....
First of all, I agree with you, airbox and all - the current car looks better and it is no beauty queen.... perhaps we have just grown used to its ugly mugg... :-) I personally thought the G-Force/Panoz was a decent looking racer for what it is worth.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared East
The COT analogy is very appropriate - and is one of the reasons whY I think it is really important for us fans to speak up now..... NASCAR messed up on the new car and the fans called them on it - the difference is that NASCAR has some room to fall - Indycar does not - they mess this up too bad and the whole series is gone and I do not know about you but the things I want to see even less at the Indy 500 less than the new car is the revised COT.......
IndyCar Series - Dan Wheldon trimming out new IndyCar Series car - ESPN
Now that pic is ugly! For every fans sake get rid of that airbox!! Bring back the sig hoop!!
I honestly don't think the airbox is the issue. It is those sidepods. If it had some "normal" sidepods it really wouldn't be too bad. Just my opinion though.
I think that low angle s one of hte better angles to view the car - sometimes it is better to look a pig in the eye :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
seriously, I tend to agree with Chuck - I'd rather see a fix of the side pods first. I suspect the airbox will go away if and when they bring in competition on the body kits..... The other body kit they had on display at Indy was not this bad......
I am trying this attachment thing for the first time hopefully it works....
I thought this concept was much better than the one they chose..... It is not perfect but....
Anybody see Tony Cotmans interview in the race yesterday? He doesn't like the sidepods either. :D
Enough testing to get rid of the hideous airbox?
On to Phase 2 for 2012 - IndyCar.com
I am curious to know about the aerodynamics of the new car. Any testing with several cars on track to see the impact on passing? If the racing is good, both street and oval, then looks may not matter (as much).
My Way - Sports NewsQuote:
Test Drivers Like Feel of 2012's New IndyCars
Oct 5, 1:57 PM (ET)
By MICHAEL MAROT
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Scott Dixon likes the sound and safety features of the new IndyCars.
Dan Wheldon prefers the way they handle.
Will Power is all for the turbochargers.
Each of the three drivers who have been testing the 2012 cars over the past week has favorite aspects in next year's model, but they agree on one thing - the new cars will be a welcome change for drivers and fans.
"We've got a totally new package of technology, it's closer to what people use in their cars," Dixon said after Tuesday's session at Mid-Ohio. "It's a lot lighter, it's more nimble and to me, it's more up-to-date."
There are many differences between this season's version and next year's.
Turbochargers return to the series for the first time since the 1990s, giving drivers a more powerful and efficient V6 engine.
There will be less noise at races, and track records may no longer be just a thing of the past at Indianapolis, the series' highest-profile venue.
Fans will get to see competition among engine manufacturers. Chevrolet, Honda and Lotus are all on board for next season, and teams have begun deciding which one they'll choose.
And safety will be upgraded, too. In fact, Dixon, a two-time IndyCar champ and the 2008 Indy 500 winner for Target Chip Ganassi, believes the new car is built better to handle crashes - no matter what speeds drivers achieve.
"The seating is a big safety improvement," said Dixon, a New Zealand native. "There's 3 inches of foam surrounding the cockpit before you even put the seat in, so things like what happened with Justin Wilson at Mid-Ohio earlier this year, I think, will be eliminated and you won't have those big forces being pushed through the drivers."
Wilson broke a vertebra in his back when he spun off the course and hit a bump between Turns 1 and 2 in August.
Dixon is all for the changes, and he's not alone.
Power, second in points heading into next weekend's season finale at Las Vegas, was scheduled to test with Dixon on Tuesday and Wednesday in Ohio. Dixon ran the Honda engine, Power took the Chevy.
Bad weather shortened Tuesday's session and organizers are not allowing the drivers to discuss how fast they're running, though the drivers say these sessions are more about working out bugs than going fast.
Still, they ran long enough to get a feel for what will work.
"I like the turbochargers," said Power, an Aussie who drives for Team Penske. "When we ran them in Champ Car, you could really tell how much force you had on them and the sound is really cool."
Nobody knows these cars better than Wheldon, the two-time Indy winner and 2005 points champ.
Without a full-time ride this season, series officials hired the Englishman to do most of the tests. He's run on Indianapolis' road course, last week spent three days as the first driver on Indy's historic 2.5-mile oval in the new car and is convinced series officials and engineers got this car right.
"It feels good. It feels like you'd expect it to react and it feels like a race car around there," Wheldon said. "To be quick, you'll have to get the car down to the white line and up to the apex in the corner, but what I really like is how reactive it is."
The good marks do not mean the transition will go smoothly for everyone.
The Honda engines could have an early edge because they've been the only power plant in IndyCar since 2006. Ganassi's team, which has won the last three points titles and is in position for a fourth straight season championship, and A.J. Foyt Enterprises already have announced they're sticking with Honda.
Team Penske and Andretti Autosport have aligned themselves with Chevy, which returns to the circuit for the first time since 2005.
The biggest question is engine reliability, an issue that Honda has mostly eliminated in recent years.
While the test drivers have found nothing to raise suspicions, getting a new product is always a bit of a concern.
"I think there will be quite a lot of testing and whoever it is will make sure it's reliable," Wheldon said last week. "I think that's what we achieved. It definitely requires a slightly different technique with the turbocharged engine. What's great about this is it will level the playing field."
That may not be good news for the three teams that have dominated IndyCar racing over the past decade - Andretti, Ganassi and Penske.
But after the Oct. 16 season-finale at Las Vegas, most teams will spending the offseason fine-tuning the new cars and finding ways to win races.
"Drivability will be harder, so that will make drivers and teams work a lot harder to set up the car," Dixon said. "But if you miss it, you're going to miss it by more."
Gary
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Article and more pics, to include a low res of the Chevy-Dallara at racer
It looks MUCH better in this render of a Target car by goobers from tf... fwiw
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Honda paint job looks WAAAYYYY better than the Izod paint job - if they had just used this layout much of he negative press may have been avoided..... Not saying the car is suddenly a supermodel - but it at least is not quite so ugly...... there is some hope.....
The Honda pic looks pretty good to me... although it could be a "myspace angle" and still looks like crap from anywhere else. What has kept me from getting too down on the new car's look is that a.) the paintjob could help and b.) the various bodykits could help. I've always felt that a new IndyCar 'should' look high-tech. The Honda one fits in a reasonable amt with my expectation. The Izod/Dallara one we've been seeing has not looked high tech, it has looked odd and lumpy. Fingers crossed that new paintjobs and new bodykits will make the new car somewhat stylish.
So, the bunghole stays!(whatever) The car we see now, we'll see in 2012. Single and twin turbos!! In 2013 the aerokits are in full swing! Lotus engines will exist.....
Great job Jon!!
Professor B on the 2012 Car - YouTube
Just need to sort out those ugly side pods now and it'll look a little more normal
It's the equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig.
Definitely not its good side
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It would look extremley good from this angle without those strange sidepod bulges.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I also hope they won't run more wings than this on the 1.5-mile ovals.
The roll hoop camera is also one of the most ugly inventions ever.
There is a pic of the car in Chevrolet livery .. By far the best paint job of the 3 so far
That's one ugly car....... Your know what they say the only good looking Dallara is the one in the rubbish bin.... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Only the Dallara IndyCars. Their other cars are quite attractiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixent
http://www.teamghinzani.it/images/img_dallara.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...allara_LMP.jpg
http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/mod...a-pole-622.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-conten..._nurb_2011.jpg
I think this one looks pretty good.
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Despite all the hate being spewed at them, I actually like the looks of the sidepods.
Gary
The new car is really starting to grow on me, the paint jobs help. I still can't wait to see the aero kits because I'm sure someone will come up with a slimmer side pod.
And what is the deal with the drop-off at the end of the engine cover? Why doesn't it keep flowing down over the gearbox?
You will have to wait till at least 2013 at the earliest.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Yes I understand that. Doesn't change my opinion that different kit will surely help the aestetics of the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
One can only hope!Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34