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I certainly wont be paying into Sky for any of the F1 stuff, and if that means I dont get to see it then so be it....
BBC is the natural home for F1, and this is the stuff we pay our license fees for, i certainly dont pay mine for eastenders or any of the other rubbish they churn out
This is interesting. The initial annoucement was that the BBC was showing half the races and "highlights" of the other half. Now there's talk of the highlights actually be full, but delayed, broadcasts of the races. Was the apparent change a case of Bernie, the BBC and Sky reacting to the public backlash (unlikely, given the time frame) or a deliberate attempt to trick fans? They announce that there will only be highlights and then change it to full-but-delayed races thereby getting people to think "it's not so bad after all" and not focusing on how bad this is for the average F1 fan. Put your tinfoil hats on people!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
Very good point. Typical Bernie 'negotiations'. Initial announcement sounds like madness, before a follow up announcement which makes things sound less bad. Don't fall for it people. The only thing this man understands is his bank balance. Don't pay for Sky, and, as tough as it will be, don't watch any BBC coverage either. If we speak with our feet the powers that be in the sport will see what a huge mistake pay-per-view is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
This could be good for F1 (shock horror)
BBC can still broadcast delayed races but at a fraction of the cost allowing Ben to watch "Inspirational Planes of the 70's" on BBC3 or something and Sky can invest in F1 and if they do the same as they have for Football, actually improve it as well.
OK, you will not have live feed on the BBC for some races but that is your choice. The BBC to me is a waste of money, apart from Radio 2 on occasions and the odd sporting event but others claim that our lives will end if funding for the BBC stops. This way it is a compromise that caters for everyone.
Since five years I have to pay if i want to follow F1, ofcourse it´s expensive, but i pay. Viasat cover all aspect of the competition.
If you are interested and a fan, pay.
There are óther countries in Europe than Brittian or would some like that all races are runned in England?
How much does actually a Sky Sports subscription cost? I tried to look it up on the Sky website but it's confusing as hell.
ZING!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Cheapest option is £39.75 per month, minimum 12 month contract. If you want Sky Sports in HD (BBC1 currently broadcasts F1 in HD at no extra cost) it's £50 per month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Krogshöj
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Yep, I really doubt that we'll be spending to watch F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Wow, nice moral compass there matey. There's a universe (not just a world) of difference between watching an illegal feed and phone hacking......... By your reasoning everyone is highly hypocritical because we all do illegal things from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
So do people on this forum genuinely only watch F1? There would be no casual interest in cricket, darts, golf, football, tennis, Indycar, rugby, NFL, speedway, to name some of the other events that Sky Sports show?
:mad: :rolleyes: How may people have any interest in Olympic sports other than once every 4 years? What are the audience figures for athletics coverage generally? And yet a fortune is being spent, not just by the BBC, to cover 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMetro
Rather than being a once every four years event, F1 has 20 events every year and has an audience of 1.3 billion people in more than 185 countries (link).
Well, I'm watching the test cricket at the moment. Then we have the golf and Live Super League this evening. At the moment the BBC has F1 but after that, you lot are welcome to Athletics :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrewmcm
I was Rugby Union and that's it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewmcm
Unsurprisingly, Bernie hasn't broken the Concorde agreement so the deal won't be changed:
Formula 1 teams accept there is no going back on Sky deal - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.comQuote:
High level sources have revealed that the wording of an Appendix in the Concorde Agreement relating to the broadcasting of the sport states: "The Commercial Rights Holder may not permit Formula 1 events to be shown only by pay television in a country with a significant audience if it would materially adversely affect audience reach in that country."
As well as Ecclestone's deal ensuring that not all the races are shown 'only' on pay television, there would be no way of challenging the move to Sky as potentially 'adversely' affecting the audience ahead of the move happening.
I'm still surprised by the teams response to this, they get an extra £1m per season from the TV rights (not a lot), and Kolles has said:
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"[Bernard] has also done fantastic for the fans because it is not only 10 races on BBC live, you also have the other 10 races on at prime time, at 6pm, on BBC - which is even better because I don't believe that someone likes to wake up at 4am to watch an F1 race."
6pm eh. That's a new detail. Is that going to be for all races?
Still, shame on the teams, they've sold their fans down the river.
While we'll still be able to see all the races, there's nothing like seeing it live with the live timing and the forum discussion page.
He just doesn't get it :mad:Quote:
"I don't believe that someone likes to wake up at 4am to watch an F1 race."
The BBC already showed 'as live' coverage later in the day for through the night races, so this is zero advantage. He doesn't have a clue.
Unsurprisingly no mention on the coverage so far.
They do look a bit muted though....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I guess there's not much more they can add, and they'd be bound by contract not to say anything overly negative about their employer or the sport, so probably best to get on doing their job - and doing it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I actually like the "bare-bones" coverage you get on Eurosport for a lot of things. It can mean you see more of the sport and less pointless punditry. Athletics is a good example, if the same event is on Eurosport and BBC at the same time I'll invariably watch it on Eurosport. I'm not interested in what Colin Jackson and Denise Lewis think about a British competitor who came 4th in a race half an hour ago; if there's another race (perhaps not involving any British athletes) or some field events going on I want to see that instead, and that's what you get on Eurosport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
The MotoGP coverage is fine too... just the track pictures and commentators over the top. For the World Superbike coverage they do have a "studio presentation" now and to be honest it's pretty worthless.
The worst thing about Eurosport is their horrible low bitrate.
According to James Allen's Blog, BBC sources have indicated that the delayed coverage will be highlights rather than full race coverage, although the show will be around 75 minutes, so longer than the current highlights show.
New details of co-operation between Sky and BBC emerge- James Allen on F1
So if it's 75 minutes the race itself will be about 60 minutes.
Looks like they are making this stuff up as they go along.
According to that article the commentary team will be shared. Does that mean Brundle and DC will do both. Or will Sky insist on a new duo/trio
business as usual for F1 coverage in Australia from one tv
James Allen - The extent of the collaboration between BBC and Sky on the production of the coverage is also becoming clearer. The commentary will be shared between both programmes, but the presentation teams will be different. The BBC is likely to have limited presentation as they will want to get quickly into the race highlights action at the start of the show and then there will be some analysis afterwards.
Brundle just made a comment about the drivers 'that will be in front of us in the job centre queue next year'!Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Martin Brundle just said on air " Who will be the 7 drivers out in this session and in front of us in the job centre que next year"
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Originally Posted by Mark
I was typing that as you you were
I wouldnt be surprised if Sky employed the current commentary team to keep continuity.
What remains to be seen is the quality of the BBC coverage, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't allowed to have such a build up and we can probably say goodbye to the F1 forum.
According to the Daily Mail Channel 4 offered the same money for the rights but Bernie decided to go with Sky.
And what will shared commentators mean for the grid walks? Will they be shared or will Sky have their own 'Martin' on the grid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Indeed, the idea of Brundle fighting with the Sky person for interviews seems silly indeed.
Bernie will have the Sky grid walker pushed in front of Martin every time. After all the money they paid him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I believe this scheduling will be an utter disaster. Look at what happened when ITV tried putting The Premiership on at prime time on a Saturday evening. It failed dismally (quite apart from the fact that the programme was appalling). How will the same not be true of the F1 coverage, which I assume will be on BBC2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Yup. Thats exactly what I am saying. I haven't watch an Indycar race for a decade, and have never watched any of the other sports you mention on that list. So, for me at least, it would be £50p/m purely for Formula one, which isn't on for 5 months of the year anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewmcm
No amount of backtracking (full replays/prime time) will bring me around to thinking this is 'good' for the fans, and the BS from the team bosses in exchange for the extra million quid they are going to get shows how little they respect the people that make the sport possible.
I've already voted with my feet. I've not watched any red button or qually, and tomorrow I will miss my first live GP in many years. If I am not wanted as a fan...no probs.
I am always confused as to what this miraculous 'improvement' that Sky has brought about in football actually involves, other than a lot of money going to Premiership clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
Given the quality of almost all commercial broadcasting in the UK, goodness knows what it is you're watching or listening to that you consider better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
I would very much like to watch many events that are only covered by Sky Sports, but I would never pay for a Murdoch service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewmcm