Forgot about that. Pity. It could have been fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
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Forgot about that. Pity. It could have been fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
Safety Car . More crap Hamilton driving
Plenty of choices for donkey this race.
lady luck playing into vettels hands again.
more like Lady Donkey helping out Vettel - definitely driving like an impatient little kid today is Hamilton rather than a seasoned former champion who has been taking the fight to the championship leader
its not right though, mclaren saved their tyres for the whole race, red bull take a chance with only one stop, then luckily for them there was the accident so they get a free stop.
I agree. Based on what's "right" Vettel should be given a penalty and Button should win because it's "right" :rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Being sarcastic btw.....
Slightly annoyed that we didn't to see what would've been a very tense ending, but such is motor racing.
Well, I am impressed with how long Vettel was out on those soft tires while Button went for 3 stops.
A crazy race, its concerning to see two drivers in ambulances after the Monaco weekend. Luckily they both only seem to have minor injuries.
Update on Petrov:
http://lotusrenaultgp.com/5263-Updat...condition.htmlQuote:
Once at hospital, it was confirmed that there was no swelling or broken bone. As a precaution, Vitaly will undergo a full body scan but he should be back in the paddock within a few hours.
Petrov's ankle, if you'd like to see it (via OfficialLRGP):
http://yfrog.com/hsjyfjej
Looks OK. He can race in 2 weeks time. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
I think, in the circumstances later in the race, it would have been an injustice had he not won.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
When Button was behind Vettel after the first safety car Red Bull said on the radio 'keep Button behind for 10 laps'. Was this because they were planning to pit Vettel or because they expected Button to pit in 10 laps?
20 second penalty for Hamilton, which doesn't change his finishing position.
Button was on super softs, so his speed would have died down a bit after 10 laps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
They didn't tell him 'keep Button behind for 10 laps'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
They told him to keep Button behind at all cost and that the first 10 laps of it will be difficult.
Hamilton clearly wasn't at fault for the safety car incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
No?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Backing off when Sutil was a fair way ahead didn't cause the pileup?
http://oi51.tinypic.com/30ijsc2.jpg
You're losing time, Hamy die hard fans know that he's never at fault, never ever! ;)
Sutil has lost his right rear tyre. Had Hamilton continued he would have been alongside Sutil and the Force India could have gone anywhere on the track with at tyre missing. Hamilton was making sure he didn't hit him. It was a racing incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Rubbish, a F1 car on 3 wheels is still rather easy to control at slow speeds like Sutil was driving at. We saw it several times that drivers can easily drive almost full lap around on 3 wheels to get a new tire or wheel without making mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
The excuses for Hamilton's poor judgement are hilarious!
Sutil was sliding across the track in front of Hamilton. He had no choice but to brake. This is obvious. It was a racing incident, no more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
yuck, a Samsung :eek: :eek: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Sutil was not sliding anyway, watch that image he was driving straight ahead with all 3 wheels.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Could have been worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
It's a nice TV :p 40 inches of LED backlit goodness :pQuote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
How about perhaps not braking quite so much? That was an option..... he had space to do it......Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
He lost the rear end of the car in a slide and went over the kerbs. Hamilton saw this and braked to avoid him. There was nothing else he could have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Yeah maybe he could have braked a little less alright but it's easy to say that in retrospect after you've just seen a car lose one of its wheels you tend to do what you can to avoid making contact with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
He could have drove around Sutil on the available 2 car widths of street, but hey everyone makes judgement mistakes every now and then even Hamilton (OK he made 3 in a race but that's another story for the ban thread).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Vettel did an awesome race. He is becoming better and better with each race, absolutely amazing to watch. Well done to Alonso too, he was very solid, as well as Jenson. This was a nice Monaco GP.
I reject your fantasy and substitute reality:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jft-YUXiL18
Sutil IS sliding across the racing line. If Hamilton had run into the back of him you would have still accused him of poor driving.
If this was an an accident on the road, then all of the blame is on the car following for failing to take evasive action. Hamilton did take evasive action by slowing down.
It was Algersuari's Toro Rosso which clipped the rumble strip on the inside and went airborn which ran into the back of Hamilton. To blame Hamilton for that is ludicrous.
Its a tough one.
This isn't a road its a race track and therefore you need to be right under the wing of the car ahead, but in the situation Hamilton was, who knows how they would react. I know he is one of the best drivers in the world, but seeing that car moving in your vision and potentially moving into his path, the natural reaction without thinking about it is probably to slow down.
On the motorway, I have often reacted to brake lights all coming on ahead by putting my foot on the brake, then taking stock of the situation have realised I could have just eased off as the cars ahead are far enough ahead to avoid braking.
Basically the reactions happen sometimes before the brain can study the situation, I think thats what happened here, similarly all the drivers behind were so close they couldn't react either and with 5 or 6 cars within 2 seconds its always going to be hard to avoid damage.
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Originally Posted by Rollo
The haters won't allow your reality to be used as evidence. :laugh:
At the time Lewis got off the gas/on the brakes/whatever Sutil had a trajectory that would have taken him almost straight across the track. What is really insane is that people act as if a former world champ fighting for positions would rather cause an accident than continue racing.
Lewis on Schumacher = brilliant move. Caught a multi WDC off guard and made it stick
Lewis running into Massa = bonehead rookie level mistake, sticking his nose in way too late and not backing off
Lewis on Massa at the tunnel = WISH I FREAKING KNEW SINCE THEY NEVER SHOWED HOW LEWIS GOT INSIDE/MASSA GOT OUTSIDE! If anyone has any shots/vids of this I'd like to see it. I would think somehow Felipe got off line but you never know for sure....
The accident = at worst racing incident IMO. Nobody should expect any driver to be a physic and predict where a sliding car on three wheels is heading
Wow, just wow. So, now you know how an F1 car is driven as well, huh? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Surely Hamilton should hire you as his driving coach, he'd benefit hugely with your amazing F1 driving expertise and sheer genius. Being able to predict whether the Mclaren was going to hit the Force India or not, and that too from the front angle, AND sitting at home watching it on TV!! I, sir, am a fan.
Oh, and while you're at it, please also tell Lewis to stop brake testing and ruining the races of his fierce championship rivals such as Algersuari, Petrov and Maldonado. What is he thinking?
http://themagicnegro.com/wp-content/...2/facepalm.jpg
So care to point out if Sutil did slide over teh track and made Hamy break or did he drive where he meant to,just check what was happening at 0:20 and let me know where was Sutil sliding when Lewis slowed down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
It's all about physics and common sense. Common sense would help you too, but hey you probably need it it first.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Ah yes, physics. I'm sure that the same physics that apply to your Lada would apply to an F1 car traveling at 250 kmph at the Piscine corner as well. Also, bull$hitting about whether the Mclaren would have hit the Force India, while all you have is the front camera angle, is a fool's errand. So, you know accurately what is an F1 car's length and how close they were relative to each other on that piece of track, all just by looking at the front camera angle?!? This is really taking hater talk to a whole new level.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Also, Hamilton was the first guy behind Sutil, and so braked to avoid contact with a damaged vehicle. Algersuari didn't see it, simple. All of that happened in what, 0.5 seconds? And the armchair experts are piling it on for 2 days now like Hamilton froze time, thought about it for days and then took the decision. Simply amazing. :rolleyes: