The difference between those two systems is basically minimal though. Percentage-wise 3rd place has the same value compared to P1 in both systems. If points were scored by the older 10-6-4-3-2-1 system, then it would be difficult for Mikko.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
One more aspect though - powerstage points, which could prove crucial for the championship - Mikko hasn't been getting many of them so far this season.
Congratulations to Mikko for his first, and intelligently earned, victory with Citroën Racing :up:
I second that, well done to Mikko and Jarmo for a flawless performance and a deserved victory!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Mikko is turning into the Sainz of the new era...
I should be happy about Mikko's win but when Loeb, Solberg and Latvala were out, all I could think was... paistaa se päivä risukasaankin :mark:
että paistaa aina niitä, jotka ansaitsevat senQuote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Maybe a little to early to celebrate his win yet?
How do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Er, what is going on with the stewards??
Mikko did not win this rally but we do have a measure of how the next generation of drivers is shaping up (in my opinion Mads and Novikov have been very, very unexpectedly lucky today)
He can get away with the 0.01mm difference in the turbine wheel, but probably not non-homologated clutch.
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Damn...Quote:
Originally Posted by tmx
Oh god....What have i done ???????????
LOL
Hirvonen is doing a very good job in Argentina at the moment :up:
He would deserve the victory after the undeserved disqualification in Portugal :mark:
This week-end in Acropolis Hirvonen was a bit disappointing after his punctures of day one(too quickly stop fighting)but on the results the Ford drivers once again "give him" the maximum points he can get behind his world champion teammate ;)
I think Mikko is doing what he always does, driving carefully and scoring as much points as possible. On a personal level, I think the change of teams hasn't really made much difference on his pace, which suggests the cars may not be that different. In fact, as of now, he is not much faster than he was last season in the first half. In Monte Carlo, falls behind Solberg, in Sweden struggles to win an event he had previously won easily, in Portugal does well however we all know how atypical that rally was. In Argentina he did very well, but then again he always did do well there. Now in Greece by far the slowest of the facory guys.
This just proves to me that Mikko always was and always will be the best choice for a second factory seat, nothing more.
And once again, some great job from Mikko, currently in N-Z :cool:
Even if no victory in Finland for Mikko, congratulations for his resistance to Seb' until the end of the rally :cool:
Mikko gave no real threat to Sebastien, no need to congratulate him for that.
I agree, Loeb seemed to push only just to stay ahead in very controlled way. He didn't allow Hirvonen to pass him in front, this would be real battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Must be a french thing, alain prost used to do the same "win the race as slowly as possible" thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
At least I heard Seb saying he pushed as hard as he could several times. Or he just said that...? No I dont think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Nah I think Loeb hasn't been pushed properly this year. Last year it was a different case because of Ogier, I honestly believe he was on his limits at times, that's why he made some mistakes not very characteristic of him in 2011.
Unless he didn´t put lies in face of Colin Clark at stage ends, he has pushed all the way in NORF 2012.
No way! Loeb drove just so fast as was needed and followed the splits all the time. After last year and Ogier´s fight this year it has been like holiday for Loeb...
Dunno, i'm not into cliché.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
On a factual side, it certainly is a PSA thing to kick a Fordie's arse on a regular basis.
PSA? May be just Citroen. AUDI kicked Peugeot .... in Le Mans on regular basis, but Ford is not AUDI after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
You're on a rally forum, not Le Mans. Welcome aboard.
Thank you, may be I'm not that familiar with PSA and Citroen Racing administrative stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
Edit: btw looks like 2006&07 Ford kicked PSA .... :D
Where is Gronholm when you need him :vader:Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Never mind that, where's Timo Salonen?
That's why Group B was forbidden...
You're new to the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Ford kicked nothing in 2006 and 7 but they indeed had a respectable couple of years. Both Ford and Citroën won 8 rallies/year.
In 2006, while Citroën was leading the manu series, Loeb stupidly broke his shoulder in the swiss woods, missed the 4 last rallies and his replacement was nothing against Grönholm/Hirvonen at Ford, hence the manu title went to Ford.
In 2007, a strong, quick and consistent Grönholm/Hirvonen Ford drivers line up made the difference again. That said Hirvonen did the job, without his consistency, Citroën would have clinched 2007.
Ford lost on the 2006, 2007 driver's titles or more fairly said to Ford, Grönholm crashed them twice.
:D 20+ years with on/offs. I know Ford kicked nothing then, it was Gronholm's + Hirvonen consistency (and Loeb pause of course - he was still champion anyway).... but sometimes is just teasing people ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
Today a bit disappointed by Mikko(first leg Rallye Deutschland) :(
Nevertheless rally is still veeeery long to go and we all know Ford boys often not reach the end without troubles, so... ;)
But he can not even match the pace of Sordo and Neuville. UselessQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Citroen will no doubt be very angry with Mikko if he cant secure another 1-2.... They will just have to make do with winning the Rally overall instead.....Damn Hirvonen! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
But what did they expect? They knew he wasnt lightening fast on tarmac before they gave him a seat, as if he hasn't done a good enough job already for them?
Next season Citroen will learn they cant have everything their way :D
Mikko this year is doing a STELLAR job... whoever has issues with it must consider the circumstances.
Shouldn't expect podium from him in Germany. He never had one.
Mikko was 3rd in Germany 2007.
Right, my mistake, didn't checked more than 5 years ago. Anyway looks this year the luck will smile him again ;)
Hirvonen is not a driver anymore. Just a servant.