Depends how it is executed. Nobody is talking about an invasion here. If it brings about regime change in such a way as to be a purely Libyan matter, then fine — let them get on with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
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Depends how it is executed. Nobody is talking about an invasion here. If it brings about regime change in such a way as to be a purely Libyan matter, then fine — let them get on with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
:s ailor: Winning!
Requested by and working in conjunction with the League of Arab Nations, the UN resolution will hopefully work.
The wording has been beefed up so that forces can be proactive in protecting civilians and may well act as a catalyst to renew efforts against Gidaffi.
Amazing what happens when democracy, diplomacy and due process and Law is followed.
Something I was trying to beat into the thick heads of my fellow Americans on this thread. Obama said MG won't appreciate anything short of a stiff punch in the nose!Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
BTW it's am 4:30 and I'm not going to sleep untill I see something get blown up!
With respect, nothing has happened yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
Good point. MG has had his assets frozen. I'm sure he has other liquid assets. As I doubt these freakin' mercenaries are going to take a check going into battle against the best part of Western Europe and the "Great Satan" aka USA :s ailor:Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Canada has contributed 12 F18’s Even Norway wants in on the beat-down!
Belgium has contributed fighter aircraft too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
It would be quite surprising if he hasn't amassed some physical cash or gold for a rainy day - I doubt we've seen the end of the guerillas yet, unless they decide that they don't want to stick around and risk a bombing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
BBC News
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Libya's government is declaring an immediate ceasefire, hours after a UN Security Council resolution backed a no-fly zone over the country.
Well there you have it. The greatest President of all time has prevailed. One giant step for the New World Order. We are out of the war business and that is a good thing.
Since David Cameron has been the one pushing the most for it I can only assume you are referring to him, and he's not a President, thankfully!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Or maybe you're referring to President Sarkozy?
So what now?
Gadaffi is still in charge, that hasn't changed. There are still people who want him out, and he doesn't look like stepping down anytime soon. He's not about to sit back and let himself get overthrown.
The fat lady hasn't even begun warming up yet.
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Originally Posted by Dave B
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Originally Posted by Dave B
you are not advocating invading a sovereign nation are you??
No, hence the question "so what now?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
It's a great question and you have to say, an inspired move from Gadaffi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Perhaps he thinks he has done enough to have effectivly crushed the rebellion and can mop up the rest with Secret Police.
It's going to be an interesting few days.
Actually I think the whole U,S, government has been turned upside down. When dabaya was the prez I always had the impression that Cheney was calling the shots. Now it appears that Hilary cleverly disguised as the Secretary of State is starting to make the calls as Barak who I'm pretty sure would rather be golfing with Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, and Bill, while shagging some fine woolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Do you remember the- road of death- where Saddams special forces were partially wiped out and how the politicians here moaned and wept about how that was not necessary?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Continually blathering about how it was immoral because the Iraqis were outgunned?
Had they gone in and finished Saddam the liberal jibberish that resulted from an army doing what armies do, would have made the moaning and weeping that resulted from the- road of death- seem like scrib notes.
The second gulf war was completely unnecessary! George sr had already cut Sadams balls off'Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Compared to this Qadaffi is a pussy cast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
Shiite Uprising & the Marsh Arabs
At the end of the Persian Gulf War in 1991, southern Shiites and northern Kurds rebelled against Hussein's regime. In retaliation, Iraq brutally suppressed the uprising, killing thousands of Shiites in southern Iraq.
As supposed punishment for supporting the Shiite rebellion in 1991, Saddam Hussein's regime killed thousands of Marsh Arabs, bulldozed their villages, and systematically ruined their way of life. The Marsh Arabs had lived for thousands of years in the marshlands located in southern Iraq until Iraq built a network of canals, dykes, and dams to divert water away from the marshes. The Marsh Arabs were forced to flee the area, their way of life decimated.
The support for pushing Qaddafi out is weak if one wants to use his supposed crimes against his own people.
To be for this war and against Bush's cluster-f campaign is hypocrisy.
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At the time, it seem that the Libyans who support Qaddafi, have no voice or are irrelevant in the eyes of the babbling politicians.
National Public Radio is finally mentioning those who support Qaddafi, and why.
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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
exactly my point earlier.
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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
To what extent did you care about the Iraqis who supported Saddam Hussein before he was overthrown? Or is your apparent support for Gaddafi based on the fact that Obama is amongst those supporting action against him, which therefore renders Gaddafi worthy of sympathy in your eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Then why did we have to make up a complete bull**** story to take care of him and threaten other countries if they didn't support us they wouldn't get to share in the spoils of war. I watched all UN discussion and I never heard that reason advanced as our stated goal' only bull**** lies, and threats.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Yellow cake u235 jerk-offs sweting through their suites. Pathetic excuse,
Don't fear the truth it will set you free
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I somehow doubt that the rebels got the memo about the ceasefire.
Why so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Because one side can't immediately declare a ceasefire. It's like me punching you in the face on the street and when you're about to hit me back saying "CEASEFIRE!!!!! You can't hit me now!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
The reports that I've read is the loyalist's are the ones that have accelerated their offensive. No?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Perhaps my example wasn't the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
Basically a ceasefire requires the agreement of BOTH sides, not just one.
Like Duh dude ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Can you be more specific. Or is it a simple example of the Anti G^^^^fi forces have initiated a counter-offence. I.ve been too busy watching roumdball
and drinking Vodka to search out what is happing in THE FOG OF WAR
As I said in an earlier post, I did not care much about them then, nor do I care much about them now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
It is just how this thread makes vivid the hypocrisy among some politicians and posters on this board.
If Qaddafi goes- hopefully fine; if Qaddafi stays, except for Obama vacillating, after opening his mouth when he should have kept it shut, hopefully fine.
Of the problems in the area, Libya is only slightly bigger than a zit on a gnats buttocks.
Sympathy for Qaddafi?
If Obama was half the man he pretends to be, he could eliminate Qaddafi with near zero chance of serioius repercussions, but he is not and Qaddafi as I said, made his misery for the U.S. a long time ago, time to move on if the U.S. or even some allies are not going to actually serious about removing him.
Too bad the French have become squeamish about using their Foreign Legion, they could have ended this quickly.
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Obama is verbally flatulating on NPR right now, about how Libya is attacking its own citizens.
Well gee-golly Oby, in a civil war, that is usually the people you kill.
As I said once before, his vacuous rhetoric is making the U.S. into a literal version of the Emperors New Clothes.
As far as the UN goes the bad guys are always- WINNING!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
So in other words After pouring billions into a warQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
that is the one thing you can hang your hat on. And to think I was witin 3 numbers of going to Viet Nam to preseve the right for a blow hard pathetic redneck
liKe you to tell me why liberals are to blame for every thing wrong in yoUr world. You are Officially on my **** list so don't go out of your way to contact me as
I don't buy any of your BS anti intellectAL BULL****
Alcatraz has a snit fit-- WINNING!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
King on CNN, seems to be successfully ripping Pres. Obama a new butt-hole.
He has said that Pres. Obama has painted him-self into a corner with his bravado about Libya, while ignoring other countries in the region that are killing their own civilians without a civil war.
ah, but what has already been said, but nothing done, about Darfur. Only that it has nothing of value ( Fossil fuels, precious metals, or agricultural resources ) that can be plundered by 'interested parties'.
Perfect strategy by the administration, by guaranteeing no American boots on the ground in Libya, who wants’ to bet me their sig that after this historic meeting in Paris it will be decided that the ground assault will be lead by elements fighting under the auspices of the French Expeditionary Forces.
GB will lead the coalition in Yemen. And the U.S. will simply turn the turrets on their battle group in Bahrain.
I just hope Sarkosy shows at least a little restraint in Libya because that that freakin' guy is ready to go off like a Neutron Bomb. :s mokin: winning :)
Alcatraz - you sound like a disjointed Liberal. You guys have had majority rule for a while and no one seems to be impressed. I have problems with the right so that is why I support Trump.
But back to Libya - Gaddffi has already violated the cease fire - So what is the next step. You know the Libyian army won't fight once confronted. I am glad you didn't go to Nam - I would be very alarmed thinking that you were watching my back!
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Originally Posted by veeten
The saddest tragedy is that no one ever seems to recall this. Deaths above pretty much every conflict bar Rwanda (then again, nothing was done there either) combined, and no one lifted a finger.
I can't comprehend why the powers that be didn't intervene. This wasn't a so much a failure of the UN as it was of humanity.
A fighter jet has been shot down over rebel held territory in Libya.