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:D LOL, welcome to my (small) hometown!Quote:
Originally Posted by mm1
There is going to be driving... But it's all drivable, my dad has done all his NORF-trips from Mänttä since the 1960s and also me, starting from 1994. :) Two last years SS' Kavala (Kolonkulma) and Väärinmaja were just about 20 km away, this year stages are "bit" further. Driving, negotiating the traffic jams and using small roads to bypass them, it's all part of the game! ;)
You do have a traffic light (in singular)!Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Mänttä is okeyish. Not that far from Saturday stages, and Friday stages are going to be long drive from anywhere near traditional Jyväskylä base.
I made some recce with googlemaps using the low resolution stage map but it was little bit tricky to find the correct roads on googlemap.
Then I found rally-maps on a Finnish forum. Now it’s much easier :) but pity that not all roads has street view :( .
Did you learn anything worth sharing? Me and my friend has been using Rally-maps as well, looks good, but makes me wonder where they've gotten such detailed information and thus is it exact.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Of the new stages I'd say Hyvänneula will be the fastest stage of the rally (and season), looks like wide and hard gravel mostly. If they have average speed of over 130 km/h in Myhinpää rollercoaster, this should top that.
So far I’ve choosed few spots with fields around and long view. In our gang is alsoa guy that can’t walk so far so the spots has to be choosen with that in mind. We’re probably moving around with a camper (top speed about 110 km/h, 65 hp and after a year it can be registered as a museum vehicle :D ) so parking is also one issue.
Thursday: No plans so far.
Friday: Hyväneula 1 (SS6; 11:53) & 2 (SS9; 16:20) and Mynnilä (SS11; 19:46)
Saturday: Leustu 1 (SS12; 7:58) & 2 (SS17; 13:55) or Surkee 1 (SS13;9:00) & 2 (SS18; 14:57), the rest of the day is not planned.
Hyväneula:
Maybe Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com 14,60 km from start.
or Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com 15,85 km from start. A long straigth before this junction.
Street view Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com
Mynnilä:
Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com 6,40 km from start
Surkee:
Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com 7,15 km from start.
Much depends on where the spectator areas are which is known at 15.7 when the spectator guide is will be released.
How about Evo SS5 about 1,1 km from start?
Next week planning the route and doing spectator recce... Sh*tloads of driving ahead, but I don't complain, NORF is only once in a year. :D
I'll be spectatin'.
No street view of that spot, no more resolution either. Rally Map | Rally-Maps.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
This looks more interesting if there’s access, 5,90 km from start. Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com
This rally radio's video starts from that junction at 1,1 km. Spectators on the left field, you'll see some safe action. After that part there are many interesting places, jumps (that video around 58"), farms, trees and stones lined up, but the questions are entrance and view - the beginning of the Evo stage is very green and at parts it reminds of those Central European roads with trees arching above. After the junction 2,2 km starts a faster section but from spectator view with mentioned problems. Take a look at the video at 4'19".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
About the places OldF mentioned, I could add in SS Mynnilä perhaps a similar place with long view with entrance at around 8,8 km, then walking towards the start.
This year we are perhaps happy with only 3 stages a day. It could be 4 SS on Saturday, depends on traffic. It also depends on the places we spot, how they work and also how's the competition. It'd also be nice to see the historics properly at some stage, though for us it's world rallying first of course. Any timetable for Lahti Historic yet?
That means I`ll be able to use your local knowledge and follow you to the stages :) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
I don't see any problem with that. :) Actually the guy with the real knowledge is my father, he's been spectating 1000 Lakes and NORF for decades. He has tremendous skills to avoid jams. We've never encountered any major jams except outbound from day's last SS (=doesn't affect schedule).Quote:
Originally Posted by mm1
So we have a deal, when the event comes closer I`ll write you a PM, to exchange our contact details.
Do you have the link?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
D'oh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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Just wondering if there is this year also fully video coverage of the NORF stages for the drivers? I have seen some years ago DVD which shows all that year stages driven by Seppo Harjanne :) and road book turns etc where illustrared in that film...
There is one this year also. Drivers don't get it automatically. They have to order it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarriK
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Originally Posted by PMM
Last year it comes automaticly to all competitors. Is it chance for this year?
Good to see the DS3 over steering :)
Looks like it. Yet another way to earn some €uros :PQuote:
Originally Posted by donlorean
Hello,
We come from the Netherlands to Finland to see the rally.
We want to drive rally stages our selves to look for spectator points.
Has anyone the Roadbooks of the rally of 2011 and can we have a copy?
So that we can run the official route.
Regards Sander
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I think this is very good site and i think a lot of stages is the same that be in 2010.
Good luck :)
Only three of the stages are exactly the same as in 2010. Friday is completely new and some stages on Saturday are modified.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiprazas
Loeki, when you arrive to Finland, find the nearest newstand and buy the blue-covered VM Katsojaopas (Spectator Guide, €10, released July 15th). It'll have maps detailed enough to find the stages properly. Everyone should buy it anyway. Welcome!
Loeb tested today, it was his second day of testing. DS3 looks really fast and stable... Loeb didn't drove that much compared to yesterday, so apparently he's pretty comfortable.
I was going to provide video but because of a faulty tape...nothing. Sh*t happens, as they say. :down:
But he tested for two days. Last year it was one day for Loeb and three for Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
I still believe Latvala and Hirvonen must give their absolute best to keep that Ogier guy behind. Only three weeks from now and it's already end of day 2...
Yeah, true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
I have to see Ford's speed before I build my scenarios. But for now I also believe that Ford might be actually bit weaker. Maybe. One scenario which I've been thinking of, is that Ogier leads by a very narrow margin after day two and is all happy and bit spiky towards Loeb, who could be somewhere around 4th behind Fords. On day three, Loeb presents unimaginable attack - wins NORF and asks Ogier: "Who's your daddy now? :ninja: "
Noope. Hirvonen and JML will keep up a very fast speed on first day which will get Loeb and Ogier very confused. They will chase each other off the road and it will be the second one/two for Ford in NORF this year.
Last year Ogier were 11,7s faster on the second day than Latvala. With Rally Finlad, aftr Grönholm retired, it's all about going flat out from the word go. Ogier was 10s behind Latvala on the 1st service and that was their difference on the finnish. It'shardto catch up. Of course I'm hoping for JML's victory number 2, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Sebs nails it. In that case all I need is good rally from spectator's point of view, and I've done my homework.
Also, it have been mentioned, especially Ketomaa and also Rantanen can be some kind of wildcards here, depending on lots of things. I don't believe they fight for victory, but Östberg/Sweden case can be repeated if everything goes right. And that's victory for rallying - the sport we love.
without problems i think the chance of Loeb/Ogier beating the fords is minimal... It would be stupid for them to take risks and chase them....they will just wait for something unexpected as last year. Ogier since he has nothing to lose might attack but i think he doesn't have the mentality or the experience to chase the finns in their back yard. I think Quesnel will just giv the order for a rsik fre run from the go, he is a smart man.
They have 3 tarmac rounds ahead to play cat and mouse with the ford kids.
The rally i think will be much more interesting to see the battle between the privateers rather than the top.
Latvala won last year with hands in pockets....If he needed to push he would eat Ogier alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
I think ketomaa will definitely nail some top 3 times, Rantanen nothing special i think.
I started to think... How much Finnish driver's car can be slower (s/km) than rival's car and still win the rally because of Finnish driver's better understanding and conception of Finnish roads? 0,6 s/km?
the last part of the interview is very interesting....seems that Mr Loeb found his motivation once more now that another french is threatening him....but he will not push for victory, its time for another title this year and not to show the finns how it should be done in their schoolyard.
i am waiting for maximum attack from works crews.For different reasons each one.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
maybe for 1-2 stages to see if they are capable of winning but after they see there is nothing they can do is cruising time.
I wouldnt bet my money at this if you mean Sebs speed at Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I have to dissagree with NOT, Loeb has always gone for the win here as long he has had any chances, exception is last year but I belive that had more to do with the tragedy in his family that happend during first day of the rally.
Its also good to remember that the win of 1000 Lakes is the most respected among drivers, ok he has a win here but if this is his last year in the sport im sure he will go for a second win.
What was that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
his wife's father diedQuote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Loeb has no need to ridicule the finnish...he did it a few years back with tougher competition. This year ogier proved that he has the speed to deal with loeb in a straight fight so i think Loeb will go for the safe points instead of risking everything. Ogier on the other hand cannot afford to back down but he does not have the experience or the speed to win in finland in a 3 day war.
Sure they are going to try and be fast but i doubt they will take any risks so i predict a 1 and a half day semi-fight maximum....once the difference reeaches 15-20 seconds all is lost and they just have to see if ketomaa is close or not....