Isn't the AJRC primarily tarmac events? I'm not familiar with the championship.
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Isn't the AJRC primarily tarmac events? I'm not familiar with the championship.
Looks like Toyota are starting to take this rally car thing seriously.
http://www.toyota-motorsport.com/ima...rch%202012.pdf
Toyota is also looking for a suspension design engineer or a senior suspension design engineer. One of the requirements said Le Mans and/or Rally experience, so they are looking for engineers that could do a rally car suspension or one for a Le Mans car.
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Awesome but, they expect to have the yaris up and running by the end of the year? Crazy. If mni can get their **** together, we could have five manu's next season. DOPE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
I want the 86 GT as their new rally car. It looks good, the Yaris does not.
I think the 86 has the potential to become the modern mkII Escort.
Toyota need to concentrate on beating Audi, then go Rallying...
They should do both.
Hmm, possibly. But if they want to beat Audi, they have to be fully committed, no half measures, with the diversion of a WRC effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
You are talking about Toyota, not Ford....Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Audi is doing DTM alko and tehty still beat Toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
So it is possible to do 2 series Same time succesfully.
Yes, but we're not talking about anybody - Audi are the only team who could do this. They're the best outfit in Motorsport.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
We all said that about the original, the real AE86. We said "Oh boy, they'll sell millions of them and they'll cost pennies to pick one up and with that virtual copy of a flippin' Cossie BDA, power will be just a few dollars away---and it starts and runs like a gawddam Japanses car---every time!"Quote:
Originally Posted by mm1
And we were wrong on every single point.
They didn't sell millions. They became silly expensive with the rise of inter-net and drift ****ing. The motors need every part inside swapped to make acceptable club level power, and then there is in many places no class with 1.6 limit, and worse thinking about rally,
since they never achieved mass popularity there was never the availability on the MASS scale of alternate gears, clutches, diffs, suspension, brakes......and a lot of guys just used and use now Ford Escort parts. Or locally here in Pacific North West, lots of Volvo parts.
The same will occur with the "new' Subuyota Wr86
Getting closer....... Toyota looks at World Rally return in 2014 - Speedcafe
You obviously have never been to a rally in Ireland, they are everywhere. Making stupid power and are amazing to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
They?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
What they are you referring to? REAL AE86 Corollas with 4 AGE?
The subject was the new Subuyota or Toybaru or whatever the thing is called.
I was responding to the statement that the new thing "will be the next Ford Escort" .
As much as I like the AE86 and have built good parts and put local boys onto the availabily of things like the 4AGE to Ford Type 9 gearbox bellhousing.. nobody can sanely say the rwd Corolla were anywhere near as plentiful on stages for the last 30 years + as the Escorts were. And are.
I doubt the new thing will be as popular as the AE86
I absolutely agree with you John. The AE86 was hugely over-rated, over priced and under powered. It was horrendously expensive to make them go any good (which was great for my business) and they were a dreadfully boring thing to look at.
The new FT86 Toyo baru love child is a hairdressers car.
The Subaru version, the BRZ GT-300 is a nice car......
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Originally Posted by sollitt
Have ya noticed that we agree on a lot of fundamental things?
Except that they can--can mind you---be plenty of fun to watch in the right hands----one needs only set aside some time to watch a fair amount of Finnish F-cup vids...But then again those Finns are crazy and there's not a lot left of the 4AGE save the block and head casting.
I've wondered what led to the surprising popularity in Finland and the only thing I can think is that everything in Finland is horribly expensive so the cost of a 4AGE isn't that much more than say a GM XE or a n.a. YB Ford... Sure they're 2,0 but the F-cup has a progressive weight co-efficient and evidently that seems to work good.
Just across the Eastern Sea in that former powerhouse of rally to the West, in their most popular class (whatever they're calling it now) Grupp H there isn't really a weight per cc and easily half the field in 2300 or 2500cc Volvos, all 8v. AE86 and 4AGE are never seen.
Yeah, probably an age thing.
There were a number of AE86's used to very good effect here also but these were highly specced cars in the hands of exceptional drivers. They've remained popular here because, in the late 80's, we sold our soul to the Japanese used car industry and it was believed more existed here than in the land of the rising sun. On my dealership circa 1990 we struggled to give them away. Today you'd struggle to find a decent one as they've all either succumbed to the brown cancer or been 'sacked' by flat peaked, four fingered, Travis Pastrana clones.
We sold a lot of bits for them separately but never priced up a complete engine however in the early 90's when we ran 2E powered FWD Starlets in RNZ we were able to buy a complete TRD spec engine directly from the Japs @ $60K. By comparison a BDA was about half the price.
Correct me if I`m wrong but isn`t (or wasn`t) the Ae86 a car that was never registrated nor imported to Sweden?Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I at least think it is so, and that`s the major reason that the car was never ran in Sweden.
Over here some guys are now even runnning on the Hasselgren built Ae86 engine in the Corollas(revs up to 10500-11000rpm) so they really are quit spectacular to look at and also listen to...
Mitsubishi Gallants and Evos, Celica ST165, 185, 205, Focus WRC were just some of the cars that were never imported in to "grannlandet till västerut'' "officially" either. I don't know, I had moved to here in the distant corner of USA by '81 and was busy kicking a lot of butt in my trusty Saab 96 with the mighty V4, and build Opels for the smarter guys here. But there have been plenty of those in the woods..Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
Were there that many imported to Finland back then?
See somehow, rugged individuals living in a koja somewhere where winter is 7 months of the year, speak a language impossible to speak, and ever more impossible to understand somehow manage to get enough parts and do the mods needed to have fields full of just really quite hot rally cars....so f the Finns can do it, what can't others where maybe there's snow only 2 months or only 2-3 meters, who speak language spoken by more than just a few others?
And yeah they way you guys do it with Toyotas and F+cup in general has become famous even over here in the land of Kenvis Blockstarna and where entries are often over 55% Blue Subaru clones.
Toyota to build Yaris RRC - autoklub.pl
Quite a few interesting details about TMG-funded Yaris RRC (S2000 1.6T) in the above mentioned article:
- according to TMG's Director of Business Operations Rob Leupen, 1.6T Global Engine has been in testing since January,
- chassis #1 of the S2000-spec car should be ready by Autumn,
- first tests planned for the beginning of 2013,
- homologation planned for mid 2013,
- they're planning to actually make money on the project (how many cars will they need to sell to accomplish that?).
- they chose to built RRC, instead of R4T, because of a lower cost of the program, and more opportunities to sell the car.
Also, it has been said that the decision to enter WRC with a factory team will be made by TMC, not by TMG. Which is rather obvious :) Regardless of a WRC campaign, Yaris RRC will be ready for the 2014 season.
My understanding is that a Yaris S2000 2.0 non-turbo car is being built by Toyota Motorsport as we speak and will run in the South African rally championship next year. The team building it is the same team that made the Dakar Nissans and this year's Toyota Hilux Dakar car. Could be a trial run for the chassis?
Is it a sponsored by Toyota's headquarters or a one-off by the South African branch?
Which Toyota motorsport do you mean? I guess SA?
I have read here on the forum that n/a s2000 cars are no longer homologated.
Trying to make money when building a new car based on old rules doesn't look like a very good business plan to me, so let's hope for an R5 car.
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I suppose it is just a standalone project by the private belgium preparator Overdrive mentioned above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor-y
I meant Toyota Motorsport South Africa, which is actually a private team now. Complicated. In South Africa you can still homologate a car to the "old" non-turbo S2000 rules, which is why we have the new shape Polo S2000 car here. It's a just a SA homologation, not an international one. But the chassis will be basically the same so it could be a bit of a development trial linked to Toyota worldwide. Not the first time things like that have happened. The Toyota Corolla WRC cars were based on the model we were running during the early 90s. VW Germany are paying VW SA to run Hans Weis Jr in our championship this year for possible inclusion in the WRC program. There is a lot more links between the WRC and us in deep dark Africa than you people like to think. ;)
WRC.com article about Toyota's return in 2014
World Rally Championship - News - Toyota closer to WRC comeback
Surely the FIA does have a plan for the WRC, perhaps a grand one, given that multiple manufacturers are rejoining the series. Why would there continue to be manufacturer interest like this if they didn't have confidence that the series would survive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxi
I hope FIA has one, and lot of people here also, because the last 10 years were big surviving indeed. As for Toyota they are capable of doing this, I just wonder how they'll mix Le Mans with WRC. Wouldn't be too much? I know it is big company but still...Quote:
Originally Posted by olschl
One thing we always have to remember is that these decisions do not happen overnight and car manufacturers have direct contacts to FIA so they know what is being planned. The WRC's current situation is poor but if it's known behind the curtains that it will change then 1-2 years do not matter. The results in the end do. Toyota has most propably started planning and preliminary design before large public was aware of current WRC 1.6T regulations. Serious WRC programme of serious manufacturer like Toyota/VW/Citroen is always linked with brand strategy etc. so they have to plan it many years ahead to synchronize the timing with new model launch such as Yaris and so on.
Maybe Toyota wasn't aware of new wrc regulations from day 1 (at least it wasn't officialy involved on their discussion like Ford, Citroen or Prodrive), but surely the replacement of 2.0T cars by less developed and expensive 1.6T cars was a huge contribute to get manu interest over the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by vkangas
To those following the sport, manus included, the way Todt managed the new regs issue (closing it in a fast and balanced mode) showed a very much improved FIA approach over WRC.
They should just avoid tuners like Prodrive and M-sport. Clear factory team and that's it.
That's a sure way to kill the sport. The sport needs more than just manufacturers. It needs a base of competitors rather than just rely on the whims of car companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
The regs were basically decided before Todt was elected; I think he signed them off, but wasn't happy with them. Max, who didn't really care for the WRC, let Ford & Citroen get their way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arganil
They should avoid you getting on the forum for posts like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Exact. Above all it was urgent to replace old regs in order to wrc survive, and Todt did it. By putting an end to the endless manus discussions he showed he care for the WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
That's why I'm confident issues like WRC media promotion or calander arrangement will be sensibly set on. Todt it's someone who understand and cares over the sport heritage.