http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_i...oil_production)Quote:
Originally Posted by flracing
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Originally Posted by flracing
Thats not raising oil, that moving it left to right.... which is something I did not know about, no matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
One day people may even end up going down a well and mining for it by hand, just like coal....... a long time yet.
Atleast lifting oil is better for the enviroment. about 1/3 better!!!
Raising oil using water, what a joke!!! Just think of the pressure needed to lift a caverns worth of oil....
I may be on here for a reason, some peole are clever.... other really are not.... :)
My god your ignorance knows no bounts. Oil is lighter than water.... think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by flracing
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Originally Posted by Daniel
Im not too sure, pour water over some crude oil, how long you going to wait?
Anyway, they don't do that. Unless you show me a webpage...
Well it won't be too long till you're banned as you were on that other site :)Quote:
Originally Posted by flracing
Dan mate, you have over 33000 posts, i take it your on here cus you lost your driving licence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
ROFLQuote:
Originally Posted by flracing
I believe this qualifies as a web page. Now will you be quiet?
http://www.rigzone.com/training/insi..._id=341&c_id=4
I find it amazing that at the age of 12 when you've already developed the perfect driving line as well as how to extract oil for a lot less that you're posting on a motorsport forum and not in the Playboy mansion with Heff shagging playboy bunnies :confused:
Give me time lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
That webpage explains moving it left to right, not raising it!
A pump can only suck up a max distance of 1.5 miles as worked out by einstein.
What about the oil deeper than 1.5 milees? were going to be lifting it using my idea...
Anyways dan, your bunnies made me laugh, so im arguing no more....
Enjoy your evening...
I know one thing though, if I had a well at the bottom of my garden, i would be rich lifting it, by hand if I had too, amasing profit all the less.
No, it is up and down. They do not suck it up, they pump water down. End of story. Your ridiculous ideas are not better than the environment, unless you consider extracting less oil to burn off better for the environment. Just drop it, get a degree and then flog ideas that people who did high school physics wouldn't laugh at.Quote:
Originally Posted by flracing
You show him a webpage! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
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Originally Posted by Daniel
I don't mean to create any enemies however too much talk and no action for the coastline and the animals whos habitate is there.
Lets start a high school collage course on ecology to help these kind of things get cleaned up not covered up.
IMO BP SHOULD go broke over this because the effects are and will prove to be never ending.I'm not taling about the fisheries or the fishermen either.
They like our goverment have been standing along side this disaster for weks and nobodys doing anything for the land or the wildlife. all the talk is concerniong the oil.Shame on you all.
Why has no one pointed out the obvious? The worlds greatest engineers have devised this method of getting oil, and now some idiot with no idea about simple physics has come up with a better idea in his shed whilst inventing some way of working out the perfect racing line? Either this guy's a troll or freakin doctor who.
Einstein's magnum opus was the General Theory of Relativity which is in the realms of theoretical physics, not either physical chemistry nor fluid dynamics as you suggest.Quote:
Originally Posted by flracing
Einstein wrote ZERO papers about fluid dynamics and certainly none about pumps.
Just to clarify, that if BP go broke then the liklihood of thousands of American jobs would go with them. The rig was owned, operated, & maintained by Americans, Thousands of Americans are employed by BP globally, 40% of BP shares are American held, you'd have a reduction in your oil availabilty so would likely have to pay more at the pump... Several common 'brands' in the US fall under the BP umbrella, say sayanora to them & their employees too.Quote:
Originally Posted by swoop
*No I'm not in any way 'defending' BP, it is unquestionably a marine disaster, but a little perspective is needed to quell the histrionics.. ;) *Oh & here's a little food for thought for some folks, before condeming just one party, BP has said they will pay for the clean up & compensate those affected.. pity the US aren't quite so forth coming when they 'create' such devestating accidents overseas.. sad fact.
If BP goes into receivership, its assets and drilling leases will be quickly purchased by another petroleum company. The rigs won't simply be left idle :mark:Quote:
Originally Posted by elis
Quickly? Nothing is done quickly in bankruptcy court.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
A BP bankruptcy will cost jobs and $$$. Let us not forget the BP is a World wide company. Any bankruptcy would effect millions worldwide.
I really doubt the BP would go bankrupt anyway. Their assets alone would preclude that.
What I do believe is that due to it's falling stock price a hostile takeover is likely.
Rumor is that BP believes it also.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gol...nse-2010-06-06Quote:
LONDON (MarketWatch) -- BP PLC's /quotes/comstock/13*!bp/quotes/nls/bp (BP 30.22, -0.45, -1.47%) regular advisor Goldman Sachs is rumored to be preparing to fend off any potential takeover attempts for the U.K. oil major, reports the Independent on Sunday.
"BP's regular adviser, Goldman Sachs, is rumored to be dusting off the company's defense playbook," the paper says.
The Independent says a Western major company takeover attempt is "far-fetched" and an immediate takeover attempt in general is unlikely.
The paper says technical experts from "oft-speculated potential buyers ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell and Chevron" are instead in Houston this weekend to help BP control the Gulf Of Mexico oil spill.
Mark - I haven't read the rest of this thread, but Halliburton which is a company that happens to be in Cheney and other Republican Party biggies deep back pockets were involved in the construction of these oil rigs something which has been quited down since the first week (say no more, say no more). So the President may have a major amount of political issues to deal with before he goes flinging too much mud. The kind of 'throwing'' mud that complicates political costs and requires a lot of manuvering before being undertaken! And all this caused by the FORMER administration not his.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
If BP goes bust who is going to pay for the cleanup?
My guess is the US is going to get stuck with the bulk of everything, the oil mess, the pollution issues and the financial ones. That's how it generally goes for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
The big problem is consequential loss. You can clean things up fine but how do you quantify the loss in terms of peoples jobs etc? Even the people themselves would have trouble putting a number onto it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BT46B
I've made my first non-adjusting post balance sheet event disclosure in a set of charity accounts today due to the value of BP shares falling. The shares were worth more than 5% of its total investment portfolio but not anymore. I wonder how more I'll have to make. :s
This disaster spreads far and wide. :(
Everybody says Obama is an intelligent guy. Smartest President we've ever had. I don't know what they base this on. Maybe Obama should get a dive mask, fill his pockets with rocks, and go down to look at this leak in person. Perhaps he could think of a solution.
You are blowing smoke, which is the same tactic Obama uses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BT46B
BP was one of the largest contributors to Obama's campaign, Halliburton is a minor player in this scene, as while BP is culprit number one for not using a
safety device, Obama is culprit number two for giving them the waiver to allow it, while denying a waiver so foreign outfits could come with oil reclamation devices.
You don't work for the Obama boys do you?
Reliable LINK Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
:s mokin:
Well, if you think about it, there's a bit of irony to this; almost poetic justic-like when you look at in a perspective of industrialized nation compared to underdeveloped countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
This was a result of blind greed, so much so, that we were willing to cut corners to save a buck, and yet the end result turned out far more catastrophic than anyone in that industry was willing forecast as a potential hazard - not only to themselves, but the fishing industry, touring industry, and any others I may have failed to mention.
In the meantime, in such a place as Somalia, their fishing industry - which did exist to some greater or lesser extent - was altered by South Korean, Spanish, Portuguese and fishing trawlers from other modern countries, that smothered their waters to such a vast extent, that some fishermen could no longer support their families, much less themselves, that they resorted to piracy.
The only good thing I see out of this oil spill is that it will benefit the west coast, particularly California, since we'll receive the tourists that Florida (and perhaps the Carolinas ?) would have had.
Grid Girl brings up a good point about BP, as considering the amount of money this will cost... if it is indeed paid of course, I wonder if BP will go the way of Union Carbide.
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Originally Posted by race aficionado
Look it up I am not your card-catalog; although I worded that wrong, British Petroleums biggest contribution was to Obama, they were not one of his top contributors
I'm wondering what will happen if this disaster rips BP to bits.Quote:
Originally Posted by AAReagles
If BP is brought to court with multiple law suits, it could possibly file for bankruptcy and then it would be placed into either administration or worse, the liquidators would step in.
If the company is liquidated, BP would be picked apart like carrion by the other supermajors, and the relevant parts of the company would remain untouched.
Thus, legally BP would cease to exist, the environmental disaster would continue, the other oil companies would carry on as normal, and the poor people who have lost their livelihoods wouldn't be helped even an iota.
That is what I fear is going to take place over the next three years.
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Originally Posted by Rollo
That's what I was getting at, since none of those guys responsible at Union Carbide were held accountable. That case with UC came up again recently, and I myself had by now, at least, completely forgotten about it.
From what I saw, most of those got off with minor sentences that were not applied for some years later. Such instances are taken for granted all too often. Which of course means that unfortunately for us commoners, as much as we would ALL like to make life better for not only ourselves, but others as well, we are too busy trying to keep our own heads above water.
This world is so polluted with so much bureaucracy, that it makes biological contamination pale in comparison.
All I know is that if some truck driving associates of mine can make the mistake of working for someone who is irresponsible for maintaining the proper paper work, and try to gain back for lost wages and unpaid fines (as a result of office negligence), and yet can't collect because the 'official' owner of the company changes the name (and ownership of the outfit) and hands over the company with a relative to avoid a lawsuit... well, the power-brokering on such a grande scale would be much different for a case of a major oil spill.
This is only about oil of course, but wait till the time comes when the next precious resource becomes water itself. That will make things real interesting...
My point precisely Mark, we are SCREWED on this one, you could just about bet on it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
So Obama himself told them not to use the safety device? Or are you talking of a government office that did not do it's job and you conveniently blame the president that you so much dislike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
:s mokin:
Oh, and as for your Palin's accusation of the BP contributions to candidate Obama let me add this quote that you probably missed:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...pill-response/
[quote"Obama is the top recipient of BP PAC & individual money over the past 20 years. Dispute these facts," she wrote, linking to a Politico article citing campaign finance reporting showing more than $3.5 million given to candidates by BP since 1990.
The largest single donation by BP -- $77,051 -- went to Obama.
However, Palin did not point to another set of numbers reported by campaign watchdog, the Center for Responsive Politics, which showed the oil and gas industry overall contributed $2.4 million to John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign while $898,000 went for Obama's bid.[/QUOTE]
It was on TV recently on one of those travel around the world programmes. Basically the plant is just derelict, and they've done absolutely nothing with it! And there are people living right beside it. A disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by AAReagles
Yes Rollo this is a wonderful thought. !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
It is Obama's administration with people he appointed, cheap excuses are just that cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
I have not heard anything about massive firings of the people who gave the waiver either.
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Originally Posted by Mark
I spotted a news spot on it, while watching a bit of mainstream media, and from what I remember, it stated that people killed during the explosion, transmission of chemicals and those who died later on from the after-effects, amounted to an incredible 14,000 deaths.
Profits over people as usual. :dozey:
Now how's that saying go?... "... it's nothing personal, it's just business."
THAT is a debate and conversation that I am waiting for. Canada is very aware of being as it is we hold more fresh water than the rest of the world. What is more, we have a lot of people thinking we shouldn't sell it to the world either.....the politics of this are a hornet's nest here already.Quote:
Originally Posted by AAReagles
Union Carbide should have had people in jail over what happened in Bhopal. BP execs should be paying a heavier price for this than they will.Quote:
Originally Posted by AAReagles
AS should the government oil regulators and inspectors who should be and have the mandate to stop all drilling and/or exploration if precautions are not being taken. Instead, BP did what they wanted when it was well known they were outside the law and cutting corners at times...
Likewise. I’m wondering with all this discussion about immigration going on, that when is someone going to include on the subject - here in the state of California at least - that the water system we have now is only set in proportion to a population of approx., 20 million, NOT 30+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
This of course, is not including water needing to sustain the Ag industry of growing crops and raising livestock.
:up: :up: Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
I see the MSS and other regulators being just as negligent as were the board members of the SEC (Securities Exchange Commission) when they were warned of a train-wreck coming to Wall Street.
This is where it all falls apart. Human beings being interested in what's good for them and always focused on how they can take advantage of a position of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by AAReagles
greed and irresponsibility is the norm.
:dozey:
Which is why I don't expect things to improve much. As I have little faith in mankind.Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado