Hamilton's Driving

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

..Difference being it was not defence of an overtake, it was to prevent a move being planned by breaking the tow.

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I can (grudgingly) accept that distinction.

The only thing is, the no-weaving rule was partly to keep things fair and partly to reduce danger. Hamilton's weaving could have caused an accident, if Petrov had decided to try to go alongside Hamilton to "show his nose", and try to force an error, as many drivers do. I don't think Hamilton could have known exactly what Petrov was going to try, and that's why it surprises me that the stewards let him away with it.

Don't get me wrong, my gripe is more with the stewards than with Hamilton.

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Originally Posted by race_director

i i think he is a bit unstable and need some time of medication.


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Me too.

heavy doses of ketamine and lysergide mixed with kool aid in his water bottle right before the start of races should put him in a better frame of mind

works great for me, ...... :beer:

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Me too.

heavy doses of ketamine and lysergide mixed with kool aid in his water bottle right before the start of races should put him in a better frame of mind

works great for me, ...... :beer:

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Heck!! I just stick with oodles of cough mixture. :crazy:

How quickly you people forget Senna and Schumacher in his prime.

Lewis is quite entertaining - brave and very fast. He is a credit to the floundering F1. But I can understand how people who watch soccer could be afraid of this guy :)

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Originally Posted by race_director

i have been wondering for a long time now, from the day i saw him in 2007 i feel he is a very dangerous driver, i think he is a bit unstable and need some time of medication.


i think f1 is better of without him . my real fear is that , if we allow him to race we could see some fatal injuries to fellow drivers, i think he needs a rehab or a crash course on f1.


he is not fit for f1 as of now, with his cheating and all his dangerous driving.

I think he need to attend school again and learn the basics of sportmanship all over again.

best of luck to other drivers. i would hold RONN accountable for any fatalities cuz of his spoilt kid on the track.


regardless of how much his supporters cry. there is proven data to prove that he is a danger to the whole paddock .



i think he needs atleast 3-4 years more to mature into a great drive.
he is simply dangerous for other 23 cars on field, and i fear that his driving can lead to some serious problems in the future.

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April fools day was 3 weeks ago

i just wrote what i thought, regarding data. may be i was a bit harsh . but i dont feel comfortable seeing his driving style,

be he is a fighter i agree . among the most dedicated in his work

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Originally Posted by fousto

How quickly you people forget Senna and Schumacher in his prime.

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Or countless other drivers. I doubt those being over-critical (I say that because I do feel Hamilton has gone a bit over the top on occasion) would have been able to cope with the Villeneuve/Arnoux scrap at Dijon in 1979, or would have felt that the battle between Surtees and Brabham into the Parabolica on the last lap at Monza in 1967 was almost suicidal.

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Originally Posted by fousto

How quickly you people forget Senna and Schumacher in his prime.

Lewis is quite entertaining - brave and very fast. He is a credit to the floundering F1. But I can understand how people who watch soccer could be afraid of this guy :)

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The exact same thoughts were going through my head.

Hamilton is a shot in the arm for F1 and we are privileged to be witnessing an era with such a strong field compared to the drought of the Schumacher era when at best there was only 1 other driver with the ability to compete per season.

Now, in spite of the regulations in place, we have a very competitive field and a worthy spectacle.

Yet people moan because Hamilton doesn't drive like a manufactured F1 driver is supposed to.

Some people on here could win the lottery and feel aggrieved Bill Gates has more.

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Originally Posted by skc

The exact same thoughts were going through my head.

Hamilton is a shot in the arm for F1 and we are privileged to be witnessing an era with such a strong field compared to the drought of the Schumacher era when at best there was only 1 other driver with the ability to compete per season.

Now, in spite of the regulations in place, we have a very competitive field and a worthy spectacle.

Yet people moan because Hamilton doesn't drive like a manufactured F1 driver is supposed to.

Some people on here could win the lottery and feel aggrieved Bill Gates has more.

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how true,

i was going to say something, but got distracted by that : Cougar Life "they are all grown up" banner ad at the bottom. :)

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Originally Posted by skc

Some people on here could win the lottery and feel aggrieved Bill Gates has more.

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yeah, I know what you mean. I only won once in ten years ----three dollars it was, and was pissed I did not win fifty dollars :mad:

I am so unlucky, my popup banner is only about tires :(

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Or countless other drivers. I doubt those being over-critical (I say that because I do feel Hamilton has gone a bit over the top on occasion) would have been able to cope with the Villeneuve/Arnoux scrap at Dijon in 1979, or would have felt that the battle between Surtees and Brabham into the Parabolica on the last lap at Monza in 1967 was almost suicidal.

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What was wonderful about Villeneuve and Arnoux was that they knew when they were beaten, and they came back half a lap later.

The problem is not Hamilton, really; He pushes the bounds of what's allowable, as any top sportsperson should do (I say that even though I don't like him, but I'm happy he's there, we all need a baddie in the drama). The problem is that the stewards are being very unclear as to where the line is, the line that should not be crossed.

It is equally better to do nothing as something always.

I have seen Lewis before. He is the driver with immense ability, but he is also the driver that cannot do nothing.

He showed that in 2009 at Monte Carlo - he understood that his car was not good enough for pole position, yet he went at qualifying that overreached and he crashed.

Another moment was Monza 2009 where instead of settling for points and building, he crashed on the last lap due to an irrational belief that he would have caught and passed Jenson.

Now while there are those who might consider this an overly critical look at the Brit by a Jenson supporter, it is rather an illustration of a driver with deep flaw.

Villeneuve was killed due to having this same flaw. He could never read a situation but just WENT!

Of course this will "wow" the crowds, and celebrate him.

It is also a trait that the man he is compared with, Senna, never had.

Everything Senna did was never governed by that "red mist" - it was pre-meditated. His ability was also superior to that of Hamilton in acute situations.

While his teammate Jenson reminds me more of drivers such as Jody Scheckter and Emerson Fittipaldi than anyone else, it is Gilles Villeneuve that Hamilton is developing into. If ever a driver required the firm guidance of "Uncle Ken", it is he.

And those past top drivers of the sport and commentators who celebrate and refrain from constructive Hamilton criticism, are not doing the driver any good.

Lewis is now driving so fair and fast that BE has to defend him. Whats next?

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Originally Posted by henners88

On the flip side you could say that this is the same driver who kept his cool and won the 2008 Monaco GP, and also won the 2008 WDC in the dying moments of the 2008 Brazilian GP. Pointing out the 2 mistakes you mention quite frequently to justify this red mist and character trait is quite a weak arguement IMO. I'm not saying Lewis is flawless but he has had 56 races in F1 now and these 2 occasions are hardly a representation of his overall driving style.

How many times did Schumi lose it when pushing beyond the limit? Not very often but it did happen... :)

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Now dont start invoking Schumcher here - in his first 50 races he was outqualified by his teammate only once.

Its not the mistakes I am referring to. It is his approach on track. There is not the calculating mind of Senna or Schumacher. Hamilton is like Villeneuve, there is only one track regardless of conclusion.

The Button - Hamilton partnership is less like Senna - Prost, but more like Villeneuve - Scheckter.

Of course racing is far safer today and that is good.

I'm not sure comparisons with other drivers are all that relevant, on reflection. Each is his own man. A driver may remind one of another, but that's pretty much as far as it goes.

Perhaps Lewis needs a car with longer wheelbase (like MS), then it will be easier to take the sharp turns in the pit entry.

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

Perhaps Lewis needs a car with longer wheelbase (like MS), then it will be easier to take the sharp turns in the pit entry.

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A shorter wheelbase will help with the pit entry, as it makes the car more nimble. One of the reasons why 'longer' cars are generally shyte at Monaco.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

A shorter wheelbase will help with the pit entry, as it makes the car more nimble. One of the reasons why 'longer' cars are generally shyte at Monaco.

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Sorry, you are right. Perhaps Red Bull has a longer wheelbase than the MacLaren then.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm not sure it does actually. I remember seeing side profile comparisons during testing and the Red Bull was similar in length to the Mclaren. The Ferrari was shorter if I remember right which is the first time in recent years that its fallen behind Mclaren in length. That was the reason why the Mclaren had better speed at Monaco compared with its crimson rivals.. :)

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Interesting. Then we will see at Monaco then.

Perhaps MacLaren will develop a new chassi for that race and Hungary.

I´m still curious.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm not sure it does actually. I remember seeing side profile comparisons during testing and the Red Bull was similar in length to the Mclaren. The Ferrari was shorter if I remember right which is the first time in recent years that its fallen behind Mclaren in length. That was the reason why the Mclaren had better speed at Monaco compared with its crimson rivals.. :)

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The Ferrari was shorter last season, but then they lengthened the wheel base by changing the front suspension geometry.
Where did you see those comparisons this season? I would like to have a glimpse at them too.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Where did you see those comparisons this season? I would like to have a glimpse at them too.

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You might want to check the "launch" threads. I'm not sure if they were posted or linked, but I remember one really good comparison with the cars supposed to be to fairly exact scales.

Lewis did well yesterday, no doubt.

If he keeps it cool and wont let the Red Mist hit him he can perhaps score big today.

Lewis drove well today.

One new sets of tires and he would have maked it.

so near and yet so far for a very good 2nd place for Lewis today. He deserved second but got nohting, but that's racing.

I do however think it's ironic that when things havn't gone his way on the saturday, be it his fault or his teams or bad luck due to weather, he has had it hard on the sunday but got a good result and entertained us at the same time. yet when he makes it easy for himself, he get's nothing in the end.

better luck next time, and he should make sure he's just a touch more conservative with his tyres, he'll be there.


Meanwhile, I think if anything Lewis being 21 points behind in the drivers championship just provides more excitement-he's got more to do now, in a really tight title race between bunsen, fred, and the vet. But we can't count out Rosberg or webber either, and I think we will still have a genuine 4 or 5 horse race come later in the season. (luckily for me, 21 points isnt as much as it used to be aswell!)

i strongly object to his driving today. the exit from the pits. we could have a big accident today involving him, vettel and the other car exiting the PITS.


He clearly did not have the racing line. he cut in vettel's line and pushed him on the run off area.

The car on the race track has the outside line and he should have tucked behind the back marker while exiting the pits. Thats why they show blue flag while exiting the pits. clearly saying that the car on the straight has the right of the racing line

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Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR

so near and yet so far for a very good 2nd place for Lewis today. He deserved second but got nohting, but that's racing.

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after another one of his pit exits and into vettel again, he derserved nothing and that is what he got

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Originally Posted by markabilly

after another one of his pit exits and into vettel again, he derserved nothing and that is what he got

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well he could hardly help with di grassi, who was going really slow and so lewis had to go round the outside. then when vettel got alongside on the outside, my first thought was that vettel went off track very easily and that Hamilton wasn't too aggresive and didn't give him much room as he defended his position which i believe was fair racing, however I would like to see it again on you tube to get a second look at it.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I thought before I logged in, what can they find to criticize Lewis about this week, and surprise, surprise the pit exit.. :laugh:

He could have crashed into the back of the Virgin I suppose. Thats what the other fair drivers would have done, and evil Lewis chose the wrong option it would seem.. :p

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So true..... Lewis drove EXTREMELY well in that situation.

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

Lewis drove well today.

One new sets of tires and he would have maked it.

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The tire didn't blew, something else broke on that front suspension/wheel.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

after another one of his pit exits and into vettel again, he derserved nothing and that is what he got

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Yes, it was almost an exact repeat of the pit exit incident at the last race, wasn't it......

......uncanny.

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Originally Posted by ioan

The tire didn't blew, something else broke on that front suspension/wheel.

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Rim failure, probably caused by trapped debris.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Rim failure, probably caused by trapped debris.

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Thanks for the info.
I don't know why the haters came to the conclusion that Lewis had tire problems when it was obvious that it was a mechanical failure.

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Originally Posted by henners88

The left front wheel takes the most punishment around Barcelona, and its looking more like rim failure was the problem on Hamiltons car. Oh well, a very disappointing result for a very well driven race IMO.

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83481

Have a look at the pic in the article above.

Tyre is not shredded, nor does it appear unduly worn. All that has happened is the tyre has effectively slipped off the damaged rim. This is component failure in the wheel, not the tyre or a cause of excessive wear.

Anybody watching could see it was a puncture which* caused him to go off. But no our media plus Hamilton bashing idiots have to have a* bash at him. "Hamilton crashes out because he has been hurting the tyres". Small minded and even* smaller talented hacks! .. also stupid spanish fans glorifying Hamiltons exit was distasteful..

so it WAS a rim failure-good, nothing to do with Hamilton's aggresive driving like I first feared it might have been. really unfortunate in that case for him.

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Originally Posted by rohanweb

also stupid spanish fans glorifying Hamiltons exit was distasteful..

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distasteful for sure...but I've always wondered if something similar would happen if Alonso retired from a race at Silverstone.

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Originally Posted by rohanweb

.. also stupid spanish fans glorifying Hamiltons exit was distasteful..

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I wouldn't expect anything more from them given that a few years ago they were only footie fans, now they are footie and F1 fans, sadly.

i thought the pit exit was inspired. he exited ahead of Vettel so was right to hold his place, and managed to squeeze past the Virgin without crossing the white line - full marks to Lewis on that occasion - he certainly deserved far more than a trip to the wall today

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Originally Posted by ioan

I wouldn't expect anything more from them given that a few years ago they were only footie fans, now they are footie and F1 fans, sadly.

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what's wrong with that? F1 gets some more fans in a country that wasn't really big in the public's mind, and get's bigger attendances on race day than before, because of a great driver who is a national hero, and they add a great atmosphere to the stands at the spanish grand prix?

To me the fans in spain seem passionate and enthusiastic, which is just what F1 needs.