Ford Fiesta RS WRC

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Originally Posted by OldF

Where does this ball bearing actually situate in the damper?

Christian Loriaux also talks about the ball bearings in the dampers.

“However, new FIA rules which ban ball bearings in the dampers meant that significant research was needed into reducing the friction losses.”

http://fiestas2000.com/index.php/tec...al-information


BTW there are quite detailed information about the R2’s parts and prices on M-Sport’s web site (R2).

Parts list: http://fiestar2.com/index.php/compon...-startdown/70/

Price lists: http://fiestar2.com/index.php/compon...s/Price-Lists/

Main page for downloads: http://fiestar2.com/index.php/compon...ory/Downloads/

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They use the ballbearing set, which actually looks somewhat like a round hollow filter fild with tiny metal balls, as a slide bearing between the damper outer strut body and the damber tube. It`s purpose was to have as little friction as possible compared to standard slide bearings but with minimal gap. They have nowadays however figured out a new system where the slide bearing is attached to the damper tube and they only use a fixed guide bearing in the bottom. This system also has quit low friction.

Will it be possible to convert an existing Fiesta S2000 to a Fiesta RS WRC?

Gerard Quinn: (Director of Motorsport, Ford of Europe)
" It will be but probably more efficient to buy a Fiesta RS WRC as there will be a lot of changes from the existing S2000 car "

http://twitter.com/WRCgerardquinn/status/21892868235

Anybody here knows if the REIGER shocks on Fords have the "fast rebound" (I think it is called like that) technology in them ??

It is a system which makes the wheel get back to contact with ground much faster in bumpy roads when the wheel lifts in the air, thus improving traction.

The system was originally invented and patented by DONNERRE shock absorbers. I believe it was copied by REIGER and the two are now in lawsuit.

I saw some REIGERs for sale for a Gr N LANCER, advertising the fast rebound so that's why I ask.

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Originally Posted by rp

Will it be possible to convert an existing Fiesta S2000 to a Fiesta RS WRC?

Gerard Quinn: (Director of Motorsport, Ford of Europe)
" It will be but probably more efficient to buy a Fiesta RS WRC as there will be a lot of changes from the existing S2000 car "

http://twitter.com/WRCgerardquinn/status/21892868235

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OMG! Quinn become a spammer! ;)

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Originally Posted by Kaffi

Anybody here knows if the REIGER shocks on Fords have the "fast rebound" (I think it is called like that) technology in them ??

It is a system which makes the wheel get back to contact with ground much faster in bumpy roads when the wheel lifts in the air, thus improving traction.

The system was originally invented and patented by DONNERRE shock absorbers. I believe it was copied by REIGER and the two are now in lawsuit.

I saw some REIGERs for sale for a Gr N LANCER, advertising the fast rebound so that's why I ask.

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It`s called Rebound Control Valve(RCV) and yes they have it. Who infact invented it i don`t know

thanks, good to know.

Hirvonen and Latvala get set to sample new Fiesta... http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/h...le_new_fiesta/

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Ford factory drivers Mikko Hirvonen and Jari-Matti Latvala will have their first taste of the new Fiesta WRC at a test between the rallies of France and Spain in October.

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Rear arches and rear bumper totally unmatched on the Fiesta makes it ideal for a Max Power cover car feature.

First viewing of Fiesta WRC set for Paris show... http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/f...or_paris_show/

Is it me or does it seem late in the development of that car already for the two lead drivers to test it for first time ?
It seems like Citroen was putting their top drivers in the DS3 much earlier in the first stages of development.

As we heard somewhere in his interview Wilson jr already drove some 2.000km in the FIESTA WRC ?!?
Ok in the beginning it is mainly about testing reliability, but how do you test reliability with a guy who has no clue about driving to the limit ?
Also wouldn't it be better to get the top drivers in the car right from the beginning, so that, in case there are changes to do M-Sport would actually have time to do it and homologuate ? Are they even trying to beat Citroen ?? The DS3 WRC was already driving with a detuned 2L engine months ago with LOEB and SORDO....

As far as I remember when the 2003 Focus was being developped it was Martin and Higgins who drove from the start and not a guy like Wilson jr....

If they make fundamental mistakes like that I won't be surprised when once again Citroen will be a couple steps ahead of Ford.

[quote="Kaffi"]IsAs we heard somewhere in his interview Wilson jr already drove some 2.000km in the FIESTA WRC ?!?
Ok in the beginning it is mainly about testing reliability, but how do you test reliability with a guy who has no clue about driving to the limit ?
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Don't fall into the trap of believing that Matt W can't drive on the limit. The bulk of the testing will be in Grizedale which he knows blindfold and for which all sorts of comparison times in various conditions are available, not just from M-Sport work but actual rally stage times. It would be interesting to see the top 3 fastest times on the longest combination that is used

I hear your point and still I say any top driver will be on another planet compared to Wilson jr, as it has shown on every Special stage run in the WRC in the past five years (except super specials), no matter how well Wilson knows the road. lets take Wales which he has done the most, at no time has he been able to rival with top guys, ever, not anywhere even on a stage like cricken or halfway which I am sure he knows blindfold as well.

Lets not kid ourselves here people, Wilson jr will NEVER be on par with the MCRAE, BURNS, SAINZ, LOEB, GRONHOLM, MARTIN, SORDO, MAKINEN, HIRVONEN, LATVALA, etc...

Wilson jr is AS good as his last rally... usually between 1 and 2 sec per km behind the leader, and sometimes but very rare under 1 sec when the roads suit him and his car a little better.

Just you wait, he will be champion after this five year plan. :s pin:

I highly doubt wilson is used as a DEVELOPER driver.....

he probably just racks up the miles in the car to see what breaks and what stays in place. Driving to the limit is one thing and if wilson runs a road 100 times i think he has the skills to be close to Loeb (but i think that any rally driver can do that).

In order to be a developer you have to be good at giving feedback after driving the car to its limits or close by. By driving the same road a million times and be fast proves you have a good memory not that you can drive.

if you are right then it means that up until now and until next october there has been no development driver doing anything in this car.....? Just Wilson racking up miles.
I can see your point. It is even worse than I thought.

At least PG and Henning did several thousand kilometers in Fiesta also.

In fiesta WRC prototype ? I guess they must have signed confidentiality contract with M-Sport then.
But even then perhaps I can see why PRODRIVE could be interested in PG....

Now that I think of it there is indeed ONE advantage to using Wilson jr as a driver for the new FIESTA WRC car :

There is no risk whatsoever that he will be hired by another team and share what he has learned with them.

Yes, in Fiesta WRC

It is obvious from looking at footage from japan that the CITROEN is the most driver friendly car around.

I am sure that on paper the FORD and CITROEN are almost equal in performance, but for OGIER to achieve a win in a fast, technical and tricky rally like japan on his FIRST go comes down to him being very skilled but especially he is in TOTAL TRUST and HARMONY with his car.

There are no surprises when you drive the CITROEN, and you can take it very close to the limit, easily.

The FORD on the other hand, is built for performance but not taking the driver's confidence into account. To go fast, both Hirvonen and Latvala have to go outside of their comfot zone and thats when mistakes happen.

You can really see this fundamental difference in thinking from engineering point of view from fact that Hirvonen and Latvala will get first drive of the Fiesta in October while the Citroen boys have driven the DS3 since january !! In simple terms Loeb and co. have already driven the DS3 for months over all kinds of roads and fine tuned the car for each conditions, made necessary handling changes and will even have time to test specifically the MICHELINS and fine tune even more before the first rally.

Obviously, at FORD, the driver's input comes close to last on their list of priorities. This is why they have been dominated since and this trend will continue, unfortunately for the sport.

Somebody with power should have the balls to tell Malcolm Wilson to change his thinking in the interest of the sport and the FORD brand so we can have non-citroen-driver champion again next year !

PLEASE ! :(

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Originally Posted by Kaffi

It is obvious from looking at footage from japan that the CITROEN is the most driver friendly car around.

I am sure that on paper the FORD and CITROEN are almost equal in performance, but for OGIER to achieve a win in a fast, technical and tricky rally like japan on his FIRST go comes down to him being very skilled but especially he is in TOTAL TRUST and HARMONY with his car.

There are no surprises when you drive the CITROEN, and you can take it very close to the limit, easily.

The FORD on the other hand, is built for performance but not taking the driver's confidence into account. To go fast, both Hirvonen and Latvala have to go outside of their comfot zone and thats when mistakes happen.

You can really see this fundamental difference in thinking from engineering point of view from fact that Hirvonen and Latvala will get first drive of the Fiesta in October while the Citroen boys have driven the DS3 since january !! In simple terms Loeb and co. have already driven the DS3 for months over all kinds of roads and fine tuned the car for each conditions, made necessary handling changes and will even have time to test specifically the MICHELINS and fine tune even more before the first rally.

Obviously, at FORD, the driver's input comes close to last on their list of priorities. This is why they have been dominated since and this trend will continue, unfortunately for the sport.

Somebody with power should have the balls to tell Malcolm Wilson to change his thinking in the interest of the sport and the FORD brand so we can have non-citroen-driver champion again next year !

PLEASE ! :(

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Malcolm Wilson runs M-Sport largely funded (if not exclusively) by Ford Europe. He is given a finite budget and is obviously told to go and win the WRC for that amount of money. I don't believe that the same amount of money available to Citroen competition department is available to M-sport.
So how, pray, can he conduct huge amounts of testing (including accomodation and transport) when he can't afford it? I'm sure he would love to, but he has two choices - carry on competing with the funding handicap or take up fishing and shooting in the Lake District. What would you do if rallying was your life?

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

I don't believe that the same amount of money available to Citroen competition department is available to M-sport.

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What if Wilson/M-Sport had used the same amount of money??? And what is his budget for Ford's primary manufacturer team???

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

So how, pray, can he conduct huge amounts of testing (including accomodation and transport) when he can't afford it? I'm sure he would love to, but he has two choices - carry on competing with the funding handicap or take up fishing and shooting in the Lake District. What would you do if rallying was your life?

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I don't follow you, because he is doing the testing. This car has already been driven for thousands of kilometers !

The problem that I see is that the car has not been driven by it's two official drivers yet. The two drivers who are so called going to fight for wins next year !!

Why does Prodrive put Markko Martin in the car on it's first tests ? They could have put any shmo in it just to rack up the miles.

M-Sport decides the best person for this job is Wilson jr.

See the problem. For me this is AMATEUR leadership, nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Kaffi

You can really see this fundamental difference in thinking from engineering point of view from fact that Hirvonen and Latvala will get first drive of the Fiesta in October while the Citroen boys have driven the DS3 since january !! In simple terms Loeb and co. have already driven the DS3 for months over all kinds of roads and fine tuned the car for each conditions, made necessary handling changes and will even have time to test specifically the MICHELINS and fine tune even more before the first rally.

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In the latest issue of Vauhdin Maailma magazine (finnish motorsport magazine) is Loeb's interview, which was made after Rally Germany. In this interview Loeb says that he has had three test days with new WRC untill that time. This is ofcourse three days more than what Hirvonen or Latvala have got but it seems that atleast Loeb has not tested new car so much as you would think of.

http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/u...r_2000_fiesta/

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Although Wilson wouldn’t go into specifics he said some of the learnings from the Fiesta-based World Rally Car, currently under development by M-Sport in preparation for its debut in 2011, would be transferred onto the S2000 derivative.

“What we’re leaning through testing with the WRC [Fiesta] we can transfer back and hopefully it will be even more competitive next season,” said Wilson. “We’ll be announcing the details [of the upgrades] before the end of the season.”

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http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=194
http://twitpic.com/photos/WRCgerardquinn

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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/pa...iesta-wrc.aspx

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RwZUW0g84I

Wow!! very raw look the wrc fiesta! :eek:

The Ford Fiesta RS WRC is powered by a 1.6-litre four-cylinder Ford EcoBoost turbo engine. http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=33323

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Gerard Quinn, Ford of Europe's Motorsport chief, has overseen the Ford development programme throughout 2010 and says: "We're delighted to preview the Ford Fiesta RS WRC in such a prominent Motor Show as Paris. There are significant visual differences from the Fiesta S2000 base car as well as major changes under the skin. The biggest, of course, is the 1.6-litre Ford EcoBoost turbo engine - the original version of which was developed by Ford's Powertrain Engineering team."

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The Ford Fiesta RS WRC seems to have extreme camber for the rear wheels!? Will that be normal next year?

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Originally Posted by GallardoGT

The Ford Fiesta RS WRC seems to have extreme camber for the rear wheels!? Will that be normal next year?

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Its a show car. I expect they have done that to get the car as low as possible .

The car is powered by the 1.6-litre Ford EcoBoost turbo engine - the original version of which was developed by Ford's Powertrain Engineering team, said Gerard Quinn. Specialist engineers from Ford and M-Sport have co-operated closely in the development of this 1.6-litre engine, with highly-respected French tuner Pipo Moteur bringing additional expertise to the power plant.

It is our objective to deliver all cars on time for Rally Sweden 2011, said Gerard Quinn.

Can the Fiesta S2000 be converted into a Fiesta WRC?

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Originally Posted by navtheace

Can the Fiesta S2000 be converted into a Fiesta WRC?

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http://www.rallyforum.com/forums/sho...&postcount=163

Car looks awesome BUT I just hope that the livery is better than the dire efforts from M-Sport over last few seasons

the camber of the rear wheels is quite visible ..... the car really looks like a beast i like it...pity the citroen didn;t follow the trend.

Both factory Ford drivers Hirvonen and Latvala will drive the new Ford Fiesta RS WRC in Spain, next week after the Rallye de France. The car has already completed nearly 3000 kilometres of testing in the hands of Matthew Wilson, P-G Andersson and Henning Solberg but the Spain test will be the first time though that the Fiesta RS WRC runs in its definitive 2011 specification.

Ford Fiesta RS WRC test.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FordWRC

Ford Fiesta RS WRC explained.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjOYsJbJ1qY&feature=fvsr

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Ford Fiesta RS WRC test.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FordWRC

Ford Fiesta RS WRC explained.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjOYsJbJ1qY&feature=fvsr

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI6YECGJAlM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab0TUyxEgXM

Funny how they used all sorts of video editing effects, fast forwarding etc.. to make it look like Wilson jr is actually going fast with the car.

By the way his performance in Alsace was majestic....what a talented top driver.