Despite a good if not great second half of the season i hope Kimi going to leave Ferrari. He just isn't the guy to drive 19 races flat out. There are days he is daydreaming or sleepwalking his way around the circuit.
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Despite a good if not great second half of the season i hope Kimi going to leave Ferrari. He just isn't the guy to drive 19 races flat out. There are days he is daydreaming or sleepwalking his way around the circuit.
Replacing Kimi with Alonso would not change the situation at Ferrari. Massa would also take points away from Fred and is well-liked in the team. I could see a potential problem arising there as well, Fred could feel that the team supports Massa more than they should. They need to figure out what they want to do. Two good drivers or one good and one average one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Thats not what ive heard, apparently tomsellecks is heading to what will be made out of the old Reanult F1 team, ScandalRaceFixing F1 Team ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
They had 2 good drivers in 2007 and 2008 and they won 3 out of 4 championships and the 4th was lost by 1 point only. Not bad if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Thats probably true. But thats not in EVERY grand prix like the hamiltons and massas of the world. I just wonder if thats helpful or distracting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
In my opinion if they replace Kimi with Fred they will have huge mess very soon, and they will deserve it. But hopefully they will stick with Kimi.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
I guess it's different for each of us. Probably for you it would be disturbing and I'll acknowledge that for me too as I didn't grow up with my family nannying me around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
However apparently other people feel better when their family is supporting them.
If you ask me, I would definetly keep Kimi and show Massa the door. After all, out of them two, kimi is the one who has accomplished more at Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Id say keep them both. Why change a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
Better not. :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Yep, but they wouldn't have lost last year's drivers championship if they had a clear number one driver who always finishes ahead of his teammate, by team order if necessary. Personally I think that kind of team policy is unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Really? And how would you have done that when you have two drivers like Felipe and Kimi?Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
1. They chose at the beginning of the season to support Kimi and he than has the slump in performance he had until not so long ago. WDC title would have been lost by more than one point.
2. They chose to support Felipe and he comes within 1 point of the WDC because engine and pit failures.
Looks to me that if Ferrari would have made one less technical mistake they would have got both titles last year. A much easier solution than trying to guess which of the two drivers to support.
What I'm saying is they must make up their minds about what kind of team they want to be. If they hire Alonso and partner him with Massa, they may well again end up in a situation where Alonso is paid zillions of dollars and is sometimes beaten by the underrated second driver, Felipe. Maybe the problem is that Massa is too good to be the second driver. Why not back him then? They don't seem to want to do that either. This talk about getting rid of Kimi is IMO all about not believing in Massa's skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Why is Massa still looked upon as 'the second driver'?
I think he has done more than enough now to show he is up there with Kimi.
He strikes me more of a team player, takes more interest in the technical side and spends time understanding the technicalities of the team.
He has clearly learned a lot from Michael.
I personally hope he returns to F1 even faster and more determined.
Exactly. All the critisism Kimi has got is basically about not beating Massa by a great margin, that's the bottom line. Massa did quite well against Michael in his first year considering that he was new in the team. Maybe Massa is up there with the best. He's 15 seconds away from that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I really cannot see why they would consider changing Kimi or Massa. They are both doing the job OK and I cannot see Alonso accepting joint status.
First we need to see Massa back and up to full speed.
If it aint broke, don't fix it.
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
Massa drove like a demented tit in his Sauber years, but has quietly and quickly matured into one of the best drivers out there. He was absolutely peerless in the changing conditions at Brazil 2008, and the dignity with which he won the race but lost the championship marked him out as a true sportsman in every sense of the word.
In any other team he'd be the number one by a country mile, but by partnering him with Kimi and possibly Alonso in the future, Ferrari are diluting their championship efforts between two drivers when their own history shows that the better course is to favour just one.
Not a chance. He's phenomenal, but the cracks appear when his team mate starts to pressure him. Not a problem at Renault as he's Flavio's golden child: the likes of Trulli and Fisichella were kept in check, while if you believe PIquet Jnr his career was sabatoged. Renault - like Benetton before them - are a one-car team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Partner Alonso with the Hamiltons or Raikkonens of this world, and it's a recipe for disaster.
He talked about that in one of his post accident interview. Apparently he was under huge pressure to perform at Sauber because he had not financial backer and was constantly threatened with losing his seat to drivers who had financial backing. So he thought his only alternative was to drive as fast as possible even though that meant he threw it away often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
IMO his tactics paid off when he managed to be Ferrari's test driver for 2003 and from that moment on with less financial related pressure on him he managed to improve his driving.
This all doesn't mean he wasn't erratic in his first years, it's just meant to explain why he didn't got the slow but sure route.
I agree, Fred is an incredible driver but his mental side is weaker than Raikkonen's. Have you heard a single complaint from Kimi about his treatment at Ferrari? He's been criticized for a year now and still he has kept his calm. And he has made no excuses when he hasn't performed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
He has been very loyal for Ferrari and that's why I hope that they will keep him. If they drop him... Ferrari is Ferrari, I will always have a soft spot for them, but they will deserve to be beaten by Kimi, no matter whether he is driving McLaren, Renault or Brawn GP car.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
But I continue to hope that he will drive for Ferrari :)
ioan, can you please tell us once and for all that you are anti-Kimi and leave the topic please? You're getting ridiculous..
I think his future at Ferrari is limited,despite his wonderful consistency at the moment. Its obvious that Ferrari don't want him, they want Massa and Alonso next season, with Fisi the reserve driver. They will be grateful for his great form this season after a torrid start, but i think they already committed way before this spurt from Kimi ever happened. Expect Kimi back in a Mclaren next season, you heard it here first ;)
Kimi is an honest guy and a top driver who all the time has made and make the best job he can.
In beginning of this year Massa said that now Ferrari is concentrating efforts to him.. and the team confirm that clearly (even to Kimi) giving Felipe the car number 3 – a year before Kimi hade the lower number. That was a bit unfair because Kimi was helping Massa 2008 and that make his own results a bit worse..
But ok – maybe it’s fair to give Massa a chance to the title – he is today a much better driver and been at Ferrari many years. So I think also Kimi accepted that Massa was - if not number one so anyway teams “the favourite to the title the driver”.
I wrote already when Kimi went to Ferrari – he is not good as the second driver and if he has the feeling of to be one - then he maybe work as a second driver.. Every one remember the situation Rubens was working with Schumi … Kimi is not Rubens.. Kimi must have the full support – then he is as the best.
2007 after that Massa didn’t have any more possibilities to the title and team gave 100% support to Kimi - he made really great job – taking the title .. but first after that Ferrari gave him a “Schumi support” – not before…
Drivers like Kimi and Alonso they don’t work very well if they feel that they have 90% of team mates support – because they are fighters.. I believe that if Alonso is coming in the team then he need 100% and the risk is that Massa will be as the second fiddler OR the “Alonso- Ferrari marriage” can be a short one - like McLaren.
I think that’s the reason why Kimi is so much better after Massas accident.. today Kimi feels that he has the team 100% behind him – and that gives him the extra spirit what every top driver need ..
However - so in my mind Ferrari has made wrong “politic” .. and therefore it’s unfair to kick any of drivers before their contract goes out. Alonso can wait to 2011 season ..
But if they kick Kimi - then i realy hope he goes back to McLaren and take the title 2010 ...
Massa actually broke the rules - he let rip at Maranello - he was limited to the speed he was allowed - and equalled Schumacher's lap times.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
He was bored and frustrated with being a test driver and decided to try and change it. He succeeded.
But Todt did read him the riot act as well.....
I do not think it is because of weakness he is strong mentally.
But the question is why favor Raikkonen over Massa? Because Massa is weak mentally and at their best Raikkonen has greater ability.
Can anyone doubt that Massa could not have done what Kimi did at Spa?
And at the end of the day there has never been doubt that Raikkonen can deliver a championship? He did.
A link to this claim would be appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1
I don't know how you came to that conclusion but given that Felipe finished last season with more points than Kimi he got the lower number on the car, it really doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure this one out.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1
Ferrari should stick with Kimi and Massa.
Kimi was better in 2007, Massa in 2008 and in 2009 they were equal. Just that Kimi had some misfortune of getting stuck behind slow cars in quite a few races and then Massa had his accident. Both have driven very well, considering by all admission that the Ferrari is a very tricky car to handle.
As admitted by Fisichella too.
I reckon they are both better drivers than the spanish primadonna.
Kimi has said that he has had problems getting the Ferrari work in qualifying for the last three years, the whole time he's been at Ferrari. That's the only excuse he has made of 2008. It's bit weird how people here and in general thought that he wasn't as good or motivated as before. That wasn't the case, he just couldn't drive the car as he wanted to. Of course it's partially his responsibility to set the car to suit him but IMO Ferrari are also partly to blame for not being able to help to get the car setup the way he wants it. Still I don't want to take anything away from Massa, he is a very good driver indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
[Quote = Ioan; 690.091] En länk till detta påstående skulle uppskattas.
Jag vet inte hur du kom till denna slutsats, men med tanke på att Felipe avslutade förra säsongen med fler poäng än Kimi han fick färre på bilen, det är verkligen inte behöver någon raketforskare för att räkna här ute. [/ QUOTE ]
That was a time a go - so you can believe what I’m saying (or not) ,,
To the second: I wrote #That was a bit unfair because Kimi was helping Massa 2008 and that make his own results a bit worse# - didn’t you see ?
:)
I never posted that, even though I would like to be able to write in that language. :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1
I would appreciate a link to a quote where Felipe says what you were claiming in your previous post.
Swedish (which is the second official language in Finland by the way) is related to English, German etc, so I'm sure you could learn it pretty quickly. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I might give it a try one day. For now I'm happy enough perfecting my German which is the 6th language I learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Maybe a 7th would be great but I was planning something exotic like Japanese or Korean. ;)
Lycka till! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Tack! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
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Originally Posted by henners88
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Originally Posted by henners88
Oh sorry :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Some one has used automatically translation in Google and I didn't see that so Google tranlated it to Swedish..
What I wrote was:
That was a time a go - so you can believe what I’m saying (or not) ,
To the second i wrote (to give Kimi a loer number): I wrote #That was a bit unfair because Kimi was helping Massa 2008 and that make his own results a bit worse# - didn’t you see ?
Felipe also helped Kimi get the title in 2007 so it was reasonable for Kimi to help Felipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1
This doesn't change the fact that the driver with better position in the final standings gets the lower number on his car. For me this only means that they treat their drivers equally.