Danica Closer to AGR deal

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Originally Posted by indycool

Read the thread. Plenty of references to her being a her. If it was an E.J. Viso or Justin Wilson or Vitor Meira or Dan Wheldon or someone else like them, there would be no multi-page discussion.

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IC, I think if you were to substitute "he" for every "her" in this thread, you would find there is no sex bias in the posts at all. Lots of anti- Danica bias or the driver named Danica can't cut it in NASCAR (a sentiment I agree with 1000%). But I don't see a single instance of "a girl can't cut it in NASCAR" sort of talk in this thread. Justin no I think he actually might be able to pull it off, maybe even Wheldon. Vitor, yes, I think we might be having this discussion. EJ, not so sure he could either. Just sayin'...

Gary

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

When? Uh... IF The Danica ever wins a Truck series, Nationwide Series or Sprint Cup Series race: I will forever more be known as NASCAR_Warrior. :D

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Has Salma called yet?

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ClarkFan

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Originally Posted by indycool

My "biases?" I don't know what "biases" I'm supposed to have. I just don't thonk the fifth-place driver in points deserves all this lovin' and hatin' for eight pages on this board. .

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If the only standard used to qualify a driver for a discussion were their points position, you would be absolutely correct. There aren't long threads on Mutoh, or Viso, or Rahal, or almost any other driver. So why the long discussions about one single driver?

First, there once were multiple long threads about Danica running simultaneously on almost every forum. Now, a long thread like this is getting much less frequent. Either posters are just tired of the same old discussions, or her popularity just isn't what it once was. Perhaps the shine has worn off.

Second, why do people buy the scandal sheets at the grocery checkouts to read about obscure B movie actors and actresses? They seem to want to know about the often outrageous and silly things they do. Some of the hype around Danica almost defies logic and it can be entertaining to read the latest episode of "wheres Danica?" The sophomoric drooling over her latest photo shoots (heavily air brushed) is often humorous. Even after few years to solidify her status in the IRL, she remains a controversial figure.

My spouse had an interesting observation the other day. Almost every time Danica drops out of the news or is no longer a topic on racing forums and someone else is getting the headlines, she or her brand managers seem to manufacture some new controversy or story. Her racing hasn't made the news lately, so suddenly there will be an announcement on Windtunnel, or she is visiting race shops, or she is doing ........ She just can't seem to be able to allow her "star" to fade from the sky, and like many B movie figures, will do almost anything to keep her name in the press. That just reinforces the opinion often presented on these forums that celebrity and being in the news is Danica's primary goal, not the goal of being a better race driver.

So just like people gather around a car wreck to satisfy some curiosity, race fans gather around the latest Danica saga to see what rumor her brand managers will start next. Its entertainment.

So, her brand managers start all the hype and if she takes a dump at Stewart's race shop, it titillates the glitterati and paparazzi.

Happens to Julia Roberts all the time. But no one accuses her of not having a "goal" of being a better actress.

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Originally Posted by indycool

So, her brand managers start all the hype and if she takes a dump at Stewart's race shop, it titillates the glitterati and paparazzi.

Happens to Julia Roberts all the time. But no one accuses her of not having a "goal" of being a better actress.

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No argument there. Julia Roberts is known for her acting work and that makes her a celebrity. She is still viewed as a serious actress. But at what point does the celebrity overwhelm the substance?

When someone is more famous for what they do outside of their chosen profession than what they do in their profession, they are often judged harshly. Anna Kournikova was actually a very good tennis player, particularly in doubles. But she is more known for what she did off the court and has become a catch word for athletes that focus on celebrity at the expense of their sports career. Natalie Gulbis is another female athlete that chose to self promote in a controversial way and has fought for years to be taken seriously as an athlete.

Some famous people accept celebrity as a consequence of their success, and others use it as a vehicle to try to appear more successful than their talent would suggest.

Will Danica be remembered as racing's version of Kourikova for her escapades away from racing, or for her success as a race driver? IHMO, that question has not yet been answered.

O/T: I don't know very much at all about golf, so I had to look up Natalie Gulbis to see who she is.

I still don't know anything about her. But the only thing I can say is, thank you, Beachbum, for mentioning her name. :)

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OK, back to our regularly scheduled programming: Danica Patrick - When the Legend Becomes Fact, Print the Legend.

The only thing I knew about her is she's that golfer chick that got implants. I do not follow golf though. My guess is that for non-race fans, Danica is that racer chick that gets semi nude alot in FHM type magazines. I guess that's difference with golf and tennis, you can watch the hot women when they're playing, as opposed to covered up head to toe in a racecar.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

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Can we teach her to run a Dallara?

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Originally Posted by Chamoo

Can we teach her to run a Dallara?

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Based on current case history...it doesn't matter!

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Originally Posted by TURN3

Very well put, which is what common sense has said all along.

EE, sorry to say but your foot is in your mouth on this. You can't state that a contract has been signed and sealed then say things changed...c'mon. From my point of view, which does not include any inside information, this was obvious the ENTIRE time and you just got dooped.

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The only time my foot was in my mouth, was when I bashed Nelson back in the day and ate crow after his finish at Milwaukee a few years back. I congratulated him and took my punishment in person.

I did not guess, or predict that DP was going to NASCAR (and she is). I WAS TOLD BY HER FATHER! I said her father told me about this, back in January or February. And, the fact is becoming reality.

You will find that TJ has now been told he can not speak about the ongoing status with DP, as he has a GAG order on him from IMG. We shall see next time we get with him on a golf course...

Again, you can find me at any time, at any track. Would love to see you come by!

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

You will find that TJ has now been told he can not speak about the ongoing status with DP, as he has a GAG order on him from IMG.

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TJ??? Is that her dad?

Gary

EagleEYe, I also got the NASCAR move earlier in the summer, though not from as direct a source as TJ. That's why I was so surprised a couple weeks ago when it was basically announced that she wasn't going to NASCAR, she was going to AGR. But the reality there is that AGR was simply the IRL team for 2010 she planned to go with, and NASCAR was still going to happen, team to be decided/chosen. The plan from day 1 this year was to sign a full-year deal in 2010 with a quality IRL team, and once that deal was "done", sign with a quality NASCAR team for nationwide and arca races, planning for a full-time move to Nationwide/Cup for the 2011 season. She gets to have her cake and eat it too. And Mikey is fine with this, he gets some solid sponsorship money coming in and knows way ahead of time that in 2011 he'll need a Danica replacement.

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

The only time my foot was in my mouth, was when I bashed Nelson back in the day and ate crow after his finish at Milwaukee a few years back. I congratulated him and took my punishment in person.

I did not guess, or predict that DP was going to NASCAR (and she is). I WAS TOLD BY HER FATHER! I said her father told me about this, back in January or February. And, the fact is becoming reality.

You will find that TJ has now been told he can not speak about the ongoing status with DP, as he has a GAG order on him from IMG. We shall see next time we get with him on a golf course...

Again, you can find me at any time, at any track. Would love to see you come by!

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Sorry to be the person that points out to you that your foot is ABSOLUTELY in your MOUTH on this. I'm not going to go back and track every post you made on the subject but you said something very close to the effect that the contract was already signed and they were just waiting to make the announcement. You said she was going to NASCAR and at the very least implied she wasn't going to be in Indycar next year. To spare getting into little "isms" that don't make any differenct, I think it is pretty obvious her father is an absolute LIAR (hence her manufactured resume to move her up the ranks) and you were duped. You can try to spin your previous statements any possible way you want but the fact remains she does not have a contract signed in NASCAR and there is no deal for her to be anywhere next year at this point....or if she does it has been in the past couple of weeks. Who knows what has happened since Sonoma.

I don't mean to say you aren't credible, you have what one would think to be a credible source but I contend the source isn't as credible as a father should be. This is the guy that basically lied to get her press hoping to move her up the ladder and I'm sure had something to do with the idea of selling her sexual appeal to get her noticed. I have no respect for him and he is nothing more than a little fish hoping to ride his daughter's mediocre looks to a better life for his entire family. Nothing wrong with being a loving supporting father but when you have no principles it is hard to be respected.

Good luck on retracting your previous comments into the developing storyline.

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Originally Posted by TURN3

Sorry to be the person that points out to you that your foot is ABSOLUTELY in your MOUTH on this. I'm not going to go back and track every post you made on the subject but you said something very close to the effect that the contract was already signed and they were just waiting to make the announcement. You said she was going to NASCAR and at the very least implied she wasn't going to be in Indycar next year. To spare getting into little "isms" that don't make any differenct, I think it is pretty obvious her father is an absolute LIAR (hence her manufactured resume to move her up the ranks) and you were duped. You can try to spin your previous statements any possible way you want but the fact remains she does not have a contract signed in NASCAR and there is no deal for her to be anywhere next year at this point....or if she does it has been in the past couple of weeks. Who knows what has happened since Sonoma.

I don't mean to say you aren't credible, you have what one would think to be a credible source but I contend the source isn't as credible as a father should be. This is the guy that basically lied to get her press hoping to move her up the ladder and I'm sure had something to do with the idea of selling her sexual appeal to get her noticed. I have no respect for him and he is nothing more than a little fish hoping to ride his daughter's mediocre looks to a better life for his entire family. Nothing wrong with being a loving supporting father but when you have no principles it is hard to be respected.

Good luck on retracting your previous comments into the developing storyline.

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I indicated that her Dad told me she was going to NASCAR, and had a deal signed with one particular team. I did not make that up, or guess, or speculate, or anything else for that matter. Since you can not read and you have yet to show your face at any event to discuss this in person, SHE IS GOING TO NASCAR. The only change has been the team (which is still wide open at this time) and if you knew which one it was, you might know that they have had issues over and above those that GM has had.

Since her Dad told me the information first hand (and he told others as well, mind you) he has a gag order in place. The team she HAD signed with was a GM team, and since that deal was done, there were a few issues with GM, that you apparently have not heard about.

I have not "retracted" one thing, and was spot on this, as I have been in the past. That happens when you talk to people at every event...and as I indicated there is a lot of changes going across the board at this time.

Things do change, but in your world, Brett Farve is still retired, becuase he said so. Again, do any of the reporters who reported Favre's retirement have their foots in their mouths? I think not.

If you have something to say, come on and meet me at any event. Others have so it should be easy for you. If you can't read, have some one help you with the schedule and directions to Homestead. I'll be the one on the "otherside" of the fence.

You still do not even know which Canadian (not Tracy, Ranger or Tags) will be joining the series next year, and with whom?

This could end up being a good thing for the IRL, becuase the press Danica is getting for going to the NASCAR has garnered more covereage than any event other than the 500.

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

I indicated that her Dad told me she was going to NASCAR, and had a deal signed with one particular team. I did not make that up, or guess, or speculate, or anything else for that matter. Since you can not read and you have yet to show your face at any event to discuss this in person, SHE IS GOING TO NASCAR. The only change has been the team (which is still wide open at this time) and if you knew which one it was, you might know that they have had issues over and above those that GM has had.

Since her Dad told me the information first hand (and he told others as well, mind you) he has a gag order in place. The team she HAD signed with was a GM team, and since that deal was done, there were a few issues with GM, that you apparently have not heard about.

I have not "retracted" one thing, and was spot on this, as I have been in the past. That happens when you talk to people at every event...and as I indicated there is a lot of changes going across the board at this time.

Things do change, but in your world, Brett Farve is still retired, becuase he said so. Again, do any of the reporters who reported Favre's retirement have their foots in their mouths? I think not.

If you have something to say, come on and meet me at any event. Others have so it should be easy for you. If you can't read, have some one help you with the schedule and directions to Homestead. I'll be the one on the "otherside" of the fence.

You still do not even know which Canadian (not Tracy, Ranger or Tags) will be joining the series next year, and with whom?

This could end up being a good thing for the IRL, becuase the press Danica is getting for going to the NASCAR has garnered more covereage than any event other than the 500.

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I think you've completely missed the point. I'm not saying you weren't told what you've posted, I'm not calling you a liar. I'm telling you that what you were told wasn't true. And since what you have posted here is proving to be NOT TRUE...your foot is in your mouth.

So I have to chase you down at events now to tell that to your face? I'll be at Long Beach to get my King Taco and Dos XX from Ken. Is that event soon enough for you or do I need to go to Japan or Homestead?

BTW, I was told yesterday that Nostradomas (sp?) predicted the end of the Earth in 2012...OH MY GOOD!!! Somebody told me this so it must be true. Because you can't spin your story don't take it out on me...it is you that can't just say, Yeah I was misinformed. You don't even have to be wrong, just misinformed. Because you were. Those are the facts now. Open mouth remove foot...you sure you want to discuss with me in person?

I retract anything I've said that is personal. Sorry if telling somebody they're wrong is personal. I take it all back.

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Originally Posted by TURN3

I retract anything I've said that is personal. Sorry if telling somebody they're wrong is personal. I take it all back.

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Danica is going to NASCAR. I was not wrong. Period. Brett Favre is not retired, and the reporters who were told by him and his agent that he was retired, are also not wrong.

After looking at some of the pictures above, maybe we can meet at an LPGA event instead.

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Originally Posted by TURN3

Open mouth remove foot...you sure you want to discuss with me in person?

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But, I can not be held respsonsible where my foot ends up.

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

Danica is going to NASCAR. I was not wrong. Period. Brett Favre is not retired, and the reporters who were told by him and his agent that he was retired, are also not wrong.

After looking at some of the pictures above, maybe we can meet at an LPGA event instead.

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All I'm saying is that the report you stood by was not what is turning out. You can spin it however you want but what you originally stood by is not what is happening. Just don't try to sugar coat it because nobody here is buying your cookies...and I am in total agreement that we should meet a an LPGA event instead!!

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

But, I can not be held respsonsible where my foot ends up.

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LOL!

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

After looking at some of the pictures above, maybe we can meet at an LPGA event instead.

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or even Tennis, watching the US open, there is alot of eye candy :lol:

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

The only change has been the team (which is still wide open at this time) and if you knew which one it was, you might know that they have had issues over and above those that GM has had.

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She signed with Jeremy Mayfield???

I think Eagle Eye should be given a little room here. Things change. You do not know if you, or your source, however good the source may be, is on target, ahead or behind the next phone call during the "silly season."

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

You still do not even know which Canadian (not Tracy, Ranger or Tags) will be joining the series next year, and with whom?

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And this is one reason why people think you're a -----. You make Mother Cleo like comments and try to lord your supposed inside knowledge over other people with vague statements.

It pretty much common knowledge that James Hinchcliff has found some backing and is talking with 3G/Curb, and of course there's the difference between you and I. When I hear things I give the details, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I don't try to hold back enough specifics so that if I'm even partially correct it looks like I knew what was going on all along.

3G/Curb isn't what I would have wanted for him, even being a teammate to Nelson at Conquest would be better, but James isn't getting any younger and risks becoming the Andy Houston of open wheel ladder series if he doesn't take a shot at the big time soon. He's another driver who kinda got screwed when Forsythe decided not to come to the IRL. Not that it's Gerry's responsibility, but had Forsythe came over Hinch would have gotten one of those seats by now.

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Originally Posted by MDS

And this is one reason why people think you're a D----. You make Mother Cleo like comments and try to lord your supposed inside knowledge over other people with vague statements.

It pretty much common knowledge that James Hinchcliff has found some backing and is talking with 3G/Curb, and of course there's the difference between you and I. When I hear things I give the details, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I don't try to hold back enough specifics so that if I'm even partially correct it looks like I knew what was going on all along.

3G/Curb isn't what I would have wanted for him, even being a teammate to Nelson at Conquest would be better, but James isn't getting any younger and risks becoming the Andy Houston of open wheel ladder series if he doesn't take a shot at the big time soon. He's another driver who kinda got screwed when Forsythe decided not to come to the IRL. Not that it's Gerry's responsibility, but had Forsythe came over Hinch would have gotten one of those seats by now.

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Care to throw up a little bit more about Hinch? I pride myself on being pretty up to date with this stuff, but, this is the first I've heard in regards to Hinch getting a ride in the big league.

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Originally Posted by MDS

And this is one reason why people think you're a D----. You make Mother Cleo like comments and try to lord your supposed inside knowledge over other people with vague statements.

It pretty much common knowledge that James Hinchcliff has found some backing and is talking with 3G/Curb, and of course there's the difference between you and I. When I hear things I give the details, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I don't try to hold back enough specifics so that if I'm even partially correct it looks like I knew what was going on all along.

3G/Curb isn't what I would have wanted for him, even being a teammate to Nelson at Conquest would be better, but James isn't getting any younger and risks becoming the Andy Houston of open wheel ladder series if he doesn't take a shot at the big time soon. He's another driver who kinda got screwed when Forsythe decided not to come to the IRL. Not that it's Gerry's responsibility, but had Forsythe came over Hinch would have gotten one of those seats by now.

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folks think EE is a D---k?

thats news to me

Me too.....not that I don't fuss with him/her once in awhile.

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Originally Posted by indycool

Me too.....not that I don't fuss with him/her once in awhile.

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you and i on the other hand.... :)

As is evident from this thread, Danica is the most talked about driver in the series. She's not the best nor the worst, but the most talked about.

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

You still do not even know which Canadian (not Tracy, Ranger or Tags) will be joining the series next year, and with whom?

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Could this possibly sound any more like a first grader screaming across the playground "nany, nany, boo, boo"?

If you have something to tell, tell it. If not, then keep it to yourself until you ARE ready to tell it.

Gary

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Originally Posted by PA Rick

As is evident from this thread, Danica is the most talked about driver in the series. She's not the best nor the worst, but the most talked about.

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You sure got that right. I was about to start ranting about all the attention she gets when ..duh...here I am reading about her again.

"Oh, the humanity"



But, since it is fill in the blanks the poster is as guilty as the person he charges with giving out only snippets of information. Keeping it vague and having a way out if accused. Hmmmmmmm

No, EE, we don't, and if you were sure, you would tell us. This is the time of the year when you don't know when you're ahead, on time or behind. Your wife says she's going to the store for some eggs. You say okay. She changes her mind and gets her hair done first. Someone calls on the phone for your wife and asks where she is. What do you respond? "She went to the store to get some eggs." And you're behind, through no fault of your own .

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Originally Posted by Chamoo

Care to throw up a little bit more about Hinch? I pride myself on being pretty up to date with this stuff, but, this is the first I've heard in regards to Hinch getting a ride in the big league.

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There isn't a whole lot to tell really. I personally haven't spoken with Hinch since Long Beach other than some witty back and forth things on Facebook and Twitter. But I have a lot of friends and family who are involved in the sport and heard it, rather matter of factly, through one of them.

I suppose its possible Eagel Eye that could have some inside source about Danny Morad coming to the ICS next year. Its possible that Jaquces Villeneuve or Patrick Carpentier could come back. I guess its even possible that Red Bull is going to come in with Robert Wickins and Branden Hartley. I suppose I should make comments criptic enough to cover all the possibilities. But as far as I'm aware the only Canadian outside of Tags and PT who has a chance at going full time next year is Hinchcliff with a bottom run team like 3G

Now it sounds like Jr's team is going to make an offer for Danica, I know they do Nationwide and maybe Truck? But not Arca:

http://www.nascar.com/video/audio/20...d.audio.nascar

Does anyone else see a bit of history repeating itself? It started with the France family whispering into King George's ear encouraging him to start his own series. Now we have NASCAR trying to lure away Danica, certainly not because of her ability to handle those cars, but because of the press coverage she brings to the IRL. They could care less if she comes there and falls on her face, which she will. They just want her name out of the news and Jr's back in. They are willing to tolerate, or even revel in, the initial hoopla she would generate. And then they will gladly watch her recede into the shadows as she drops like a rock in the standings and doesn't make the show week after week.

Call me paranoid if you want, but I think the Princess is being played as a pawn in a much bigger game than she or her STUPID father understands. Young Mr. France is a consummate jerk, and this is just the sort of thing he would relish in pulling off.

My $.02

Gary

http://www.indystar.com/article/2009...nica+defection

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Some people have a rather inflated view of her power. Someday, for some reason, she will leave the IRL, just as other household names like Mario Andretti and AJ Foyt left racing when they retired. The world didn't stop spinning, and racing survived. To claim that "This is even worse than the PGA Tour losing Tiger Woods" is just plain silly. IHMO, only a few myopic people are so deluded to think she carries that much "star" value.

Articles like that one just prove you can fool some of the people all of the time.

totally agree beachbum, and as repeating myself here, she isn't making the tracks sellout and TV racing aren't getting high numbers. she was a sell back in 04 and 05, but for all the pissing and moaning she does, people started not caring and the media making her the best thing since sliced bread while the results dont show, everyone will rag on her being overrated as she is.

The series will survive without Danica, no question, in fact it will prolly improve as fans can actually watch the racing again without hearing the Danica update every 5 minutes while shes struggling in 15th. the sport still has plenty of fan favorites in Helio, Sarah, Scott, Dario, Ryan, and PT.

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Originally Posted by beachbum

Some people have a rather inflated view of her power. Someday, for some reason, she will leave the IRL, just as other household names like Mario Andretti and AJ Foyt left racing when they retired. The world didn't stop spinning, and racing survived. To claim that "This is even worse than the PGA Tour losing Tiger Woods" is just plain silly. IHMO, only a few myopic people are so deluded to think she carries that much "star" value.

Articles like that one just prove you can fool some of the people all of the time.

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In my view, ALL of auto racing is near the end of its useful life (within 10 years there will be little more than niche interest). I think rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic is a good analogy as to the state of affairs of auto racing, world wide.

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Originally Posted by Blancvino

In my view, ALL of auto racing is near the end of its useful life (within 10 years there will be little more than niche interest). I think rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic is a good analogy as to the state of affairs of auto racing, world wide.

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This statement may be far more accurate than many of us would like to admit.....

I personally think the future of motorsports is as a "retro" sport - both in terms of historic racing and in terms of realizing the days of record breaking, technical relevance to the larger world, and general technical progression of the sport are pretty much done. Fundamentally cars cannot get faster without serious problems, there is little, if any, technology that a race car can develop better than something else and the sport has become far to expensive for its own good... furthermore, it is hard to create genuine heroes is the sport loses the cutting edge/danger/out of reach of the common person aspect that has made race car drivers so compelling for much of the history of racing....

guys like Foyt, Hurtibuise, Parnelli, Mario, Lauda, Tommy Milton, Jimmy Murphy etc. were characters and "heroes" in the sense they were putting their lives on the line, were often full of personality, and were doing stuff you and I could not do or could not imagine how we might be able to do... These modern drivers are boring marketing tools driving at speeds that we all know you can "easily" achieve - sometimes in a Corvette or a $10,000 "superbike".... there is no mystery to it anymore....

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Originally Posted by Blancvino

In my view, ALL of auto racing is near the end of its useful life (within 10 years there will be little more than niche interest). I think rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic is a good analogy as to the state of affairs of auto racing, world wide.

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That proclamation has bee made for the last 20-30 years or more. Some predicted it would be legislated out of existence years ago. Yet, racing still has a strong following. Reports of its death are very premature.