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He was referring to a car as per F1 car because he didn't drive a F1 car at all since last December as all, well documented, sources attest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
I really don't care anymore about this subject as I doubt that even if Domenicalli and Di Montezemolo would tell you personally that Badoer never drove the F60 before this past Monday, you would still say he did. :rolleyes:
i didn't say he did!!!! he did, i admit he was probably mistaken or misquoted, and i accept Tambs evidence of Badoers last test. what i objected to was the way you proclaimed yourself the authority and go about ending discussions.
thankyou for deciding what Badoer meant for me, i am clearly too daft to understand anything without having it pointed out for me.
the fact remains you said he never drove the car (several weeks ago)
i said that sounded a bit odd, but didn't disbelive the issue, despite the fact you didn't supply any evidence (i did ask)
then when i posted a quote from Badoer saying "its was good to get into a car i haven't driven for several months" you completley ignored my post, but told me i was wrong as i was referring to him driving the car this week.
now you have interpreted the comment the way that fits your point, despite the fact i have said i agree with the fact that he probably meant the hybrid car he drove back in December.
i'm not arguing with you over the point you made, i'm arguing over the manner in which you made it, refused to discuss valid evidence placed in front of you and your high and mighty attitude.
Thanks you Tamburello for clearing up the issue with some evidence, i'm happy that Badoer has not driven this exact car, only a hybrid model. my initial thoughts (when we debated the rights and wrongs of Shumi testing the car or not) were that it was odd for the contracted testers never to have driven the car, but you trampled all over the valid opinions with your rhetoric and now have decided to turn this into a quest to make me sound unreasonable in the face of evidence to the contrary.
i'm happy to accept i was wrong, but when only faced with Badoers comments and no "well documented sources" (which were later provided by someone other than yourself) i took him at face value, assuming the Ferrari test driver would know what he had driven. not such an unreasonable leap of faith to make i hope you'd agree.
as it was i assume he was misquoted of that some of his meaning was lost in translation (if he gave the interview in Italian)
sure if the comment had said "good to get back in an F1 car again" the meaning would have come across quite differently.
if your going to argue/debate with me, please have the courtesy to read my posts, not mix them up with what you think others have said, and respect my right to have an opinion rather than talk down to me like a naughty 12 year old - given that honour i'll be more than happy to return the favour, amke it petty and sarcastic and i'll play like that too
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
This issue has been discussed and cleared several times already, once by Garry Walker a week ago, but it didn't stop you trying to poke fun at me just because I was sure I was right, and now by Tam.
Hopefully you can now put this whole charade to a rest.
A couple of 'interesting' comments from Badoer:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77805Quote:
"My last race was 10 years ago more or less but I did in these 10 years close to 150,000kms with F1," he said.
"I am used to doing two races in one day because of the tests, sometimes we did two races in a day, so it is not that really I am worried for this aspect of the situation.
"I am used to the race as before I did a lot of races. If you think for somebody who had never raced maybe it is a problem but I know what it was in the past, so I have an idea.
"I am in a better position than somebody who didn't have a race, so at the moment I am very calm, very quiet."
It looks like he needs to convince himself that he can do it.
Not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
He was answering questions. This is the driver that Schumi would call at 2am in the morning to discuss tyre choices. He has trained with Schumi, who on Sunday will be in the pits to assist and advise Badoer.
I doubt this decision was made without Schumi's input and if he had any doubt he would not drive.
Any other consideration axiomatically would make Badoer dishonest.
Yesterday he called filling in for Massa as "like winning the lottery". Undoubtedly, if Badoer is able to get any sleep because of excitement that will be amazing.
The (not so) great Badoer props up the time sheets! :\
Looks like his try to talk himself up didn't have any effect.
ok old chap... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
well badoer looks rusty
To me he looks slow! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I know, I know! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Let's see:
10. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:43.384 +0.924 23
20. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:45.840 +3.380 25
Bad bad Badoer! :s
We'll see how he goes this afternoon. At the moment he's probably still learning the track.. essentially I wouldn't read too much into this performance.
I wish for Luca better pace in the next session...
I wonder how much more knowledge of this track have Grosjean and Alguersuari who did better than Badoer.Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
I thought he would do 40 laps in the morning session, he didn't even do the most laps out there, surprising to me.
Alguersuari won on the track in Spanish F3 last year, Grosjean raced there in the GP2 support last year...Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I'm not making excuses for Badoer but first practice isn't always representative.
What would be normal is that he drove the 2009 during development prior to the launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Of course, some people will argue that because it hasn't been launched, it isn't officially this years car but thats just argueing for the sake of it.
However, calling people a cock because they accept a drivers word rather than some forum member that is nothing to do with Ferrari is a bit childish whatever definition you choose to suit your stance.
There was not test of the F60 before launch. Not even one news paper or new sites ever had a story let alone a picture of the before it was launched, and there are always videos and picture of even the smallest test done by Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I will however accept, without hesitation, that he tested the F60 before launch if you can show us the proof of it.
I don't really care. I see no reason for Luca to lie and if you do, then thats up to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
At least he makes Kimi look quick. Perhaps there will be a crate of Vodka waiting for Luca as a gift come Monday morning....Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
You delivered exactly what I expected. Hot air! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Maybe Kimi should make that a crate of Martini or Chianti! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Knockie is working for Hot Air & Sons Ltd - est 1844???Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Darn it, if they invest in balloons they would go up in the world.....
P2 gonna start in a couple of minutes.
Let's see what he can do now that he knows the track.
And some Fava beans.............. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
If he doesn't yet than he certainly should consider it, he's really performing well in that domain. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
BTW, good to see you around again! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Just stop it now. Give the guy a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Luca is slow but he hasn't really driven anything in anger for months.
Grosjean has been doing GP2 and Alguersuari, F. Renault and the last grand prix, so at least give Luca the benefit of a full race weekend before you judge him.
In Hungary Alguersuari was last in the first two practice sessions, and 18th in the third one when his team-mate was 5th. No real difference to what's happening to Luca today.
And most drivers at that level have probably driven the Hungaroring. Most drivers haven't driven Valencia.
:rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
He doesn't deserve any break, this is F1 not kindergarten or some pensioner house.
There is one good reason why he has been a test driver for almost 10 years: he's consistent, consistently slow that is! :p :
There's nothing like getting behind your team is there?
There's something like criticizing them when they puck it up like with this 'race' drive choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
I'm not some blind fan who can't see when his favorite team does something stupid. :\
Criticising is one thing. Ridiculing a loyal and dedicated Ferrari employee quite another.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Well he's looking ridiculous being 3 seconds of the pace in a Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
Not a great start to Luca's weekend.
According James Allen, Ted Kravitz spotted Luca with a green paddock pass - no pit lane access!
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/ (twitter feed, right hand side of screen)
Kimi came from Formula Renault UK and yet he had to learn the the tracks could keep up with Heidfeld more or less in his rookie year.
No sympathy for Badoer whatsoever.
He finally managed to get within 2 seconds.
Well one things for certain. MS could have gone faster than that.
Hope to gods he improves as that would just be a sham.
Hmm, 2.6 seconds slower than Alonso, 1.3s off Raikkonen at the end of FP2.
Looks like only one Ferrari will make it through Q1.
I hope Ferrari know what they're doing, as right now Luca just looks good old-fashioned slow. :s
He's just a bit rusty :eek: