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Noup,Quote:
Originally Posted by f-cup
The multiplier is 1.7
Link to the site (article 251):
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regul...tingCodeA.aspx
Direct link to the document, 3.1 Supercharging on page 2:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...%20_09-10_.pdf
N4 is over 2000cc, page 14
Link to the site:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regul...pionships.aspx
Direct link to the document:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...egulations.pdf
Wonder will that change, as it never took direct injection into account.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Doubt there will be anything official till WMSC on Oct 23rd/ish, but something will probably appear on motorsport sites in the next week if there is agreement...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
There’s also a WRC commission meeting next Wednesday, 16th of September, but maybe they decides only the calendar for 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by bt52b
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78488
October 23 will be FIA election day, maybe this time it justifies a new delay in WRC regulations so that the elected board members could express their opinion.
Maybe none of the candidates agree with the world 1.6T motor concept launched by Mr. Mosley!
Even considering some advantages on a smaller turbocharged engine, I still believe that 2011 WRC cars should be entirely based on actual S2000 in order to avoid larger developments costs and immediately attract IRC manufacturers.
I totally agree.. :)
Martin Holmes is reporting that the production and custom 1.6l turbos may be allowed, but also mentions that it would make sense to delay the introduction of these engines till 2012 or 2013. No sign of any new rules yet.
In the article by Martin Holmes in gpweek.com, it's Christian Loriaux who says it makes sense to delay the 1.6T until 2012 or 13, he says every time there is a meeting the costs go up with each new proposal, he also says that all those manufacturers who either joined recently with S2000's did so with the enticement of a simple set of rules and N/A engines. If no decision is taken on engines until end of October it leaves 14 months to start of "new dawn wrc" for manufacturers to evaluate the rules, decide on whether they want to play, get the funding, design, build and test. Maybe when Max goes something quick and simple can be brought in. Also getting hints that whilst Ford may be happy to use a 2000 N/A Citroen say that Peugot have that engine and Citroen wont build a direct competitor to its PSA sister. Again heared last week that DTM rules stay the same until 2012 and that Citroen still considering..............Quote:
Originally Posted by bt52b
They can go to DTM if they want to..
A lot of good points in this piece on page 17 in GPWeek issue 63. http://www.gpweek.com/
- It is too little time left until 2011 for this to become a success. Use S2000 until 2012 or 13.
Lorioux of Ford says; Every time a rule is implemented too quicly it ends up being too expensive.
- A lot of manufacurers have made S2000, since it is simple. Simple is good.
No new manufacturer or any of the current S2000 factories have said out load that they will go 1600T, only Ford and Citroen.
- FIA was too quick to give indications to VW to allow 1820mm with, since that suited them, in eagerto get a new big manufacturer. Keep 1800, if not this move could destabilize the whole S2000 group we have now, by allowing 1820 and making them obsolete.
I agree in much of this, bottom line; Wait with 1600T to 2013, and get it right the first time. The rallysport can NOT afford to miss this one !!!
I did originally think that it would be stupid to make the manufacturers develop a 2litre NA engine, only to have to develop a 1.6T only a couple of years down the line. But given that another 6 months has passed and they have still not decided the rules, and that there are no new teams yet forthcoming, maybe Loriaux is right...
I read on a Belgium forum that it is confirmed that Mikko Hirvone wil drive a Ford Fiesta S2000 as 0-car in the Monte Carlo Rallye?
Don't know about Monte, but it is rumoured for IRC Scotland. Matthew Wilson will shakedown the car soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
At the moment there isn’t any new manufacturers at all. If the engine would be a 2-litre NA engine there are three potential new manufacturers with S2000 cars: Fiat, Peugeot and Skoda. If the engine will be a 2-litre NA engine I think we will loose one manufacturer, Citroen.
If I could decide the manufacturers could choose a turbo engine between 1,4 – 2,0 litre. These different size engines can have equal torque and power with different boost levels.
I had a look in the IRC forum at the “Skoda begin testing Fabia S2000” thread and the first post was in February 2008. By this I assume that proper testing of a new car takes about one year and maybe another year or a half for designing and building the prototype, so about 1,5 - 2 years from “blank paper” to “ready to race”. For a manufacturer with no motor sport activities at all it will take even longer because they have to start with hiring staff and acquire facilities etc. Of course this could be done more quickly by signing an agreement with a team like Prodrive.
(warning: this post contains sarcasm ^^)
Come on FIA ... don't decide so quickly ! Wait another 3-4 years, who cares ... WRC is WRC, would be da best rally championship even without any manufacturers, you figure with the INCREDIBLE number of 2 ! Woho !
Ps. FIA = FAIL (not sarcasm).
Portuguese Autosport news site has published Martin Holmes report of last WRC commission meeting, suggesting that from 2011 it will be allowed manufacturers to enter Gr. N, S2000 or WRC 1.6T cars!
Each category will have an extra aerodynamic package but WRC 1.6T technical definition is still under discussion.
http://autosport.aeiou.pt/gen.pl?p=s....stories/76550
After all the delays, this is clearly a B plan showing that FIA is finally convinced that 1.6T WRC’s wont be ready for 2011!
Will FIA be able to equalise 1.6TWRC to S2000 and Gr. N cars? If so, this amplified technical layout could be very interesting…
Bring in S2000 and that's it ... for Colin's sake ! ¬_¬
1.6T in next years if they really really really want to be 'superior' to IRC (at least in machinery ^^).
It isn't confirmed. Still a few months to go to Monte-Carlo.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Be nice if they grew a spine and chose one formula instead of ticking "all of the above"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
It would be nice if they made Group N a proper Showroom class. Not the silly regs they have now - trying to make it equal with S2000 cars.
If they’re equalised it means that the future WRC cars won’t be so powerful. IMO a WRC car should have more power than a S2000 or N4 car have. Otherwise the formula could be interesting with the different option of bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
That I don’t understand if one of the option is a 1,6why it could be, as I’ve said earlier, an option between 1,4– 2,0.
We have a class called V1600, which is almost a showroom class. Only modifications allowed except the safety and reinforcement are “one way adjustable” dampers, brake pads, break pipes. The ECU is free as long it’s interchangeable with the original one. The cars don’t have to homologated as long they are commercial available in the EU countries. That’s why here are cars not so common in rallies, for example a Alfa-Romeo 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
BTW it would be interesting to know what national “homologation” there are different countries?
It's silly we're still talking about N class, which is something of the last century. N4 is just R4, just like the S2K and the 1.6T will be...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Proper ProductionWRC should be with R1 (which do not exist right now, I know): this would make a cheap and slow car championship for young and or gentleman drivers drivers to learn and for the adventure of rallying.
A true Junior championship could be made with R2/R3 cars, the last stage for young drivers before coming to WRC for example.
Are these rules, I mean R1/R2/R3/R4 classes already approved and when will they become implemented?
This sounds like a nice class to me, already found the website: http://www.v1600.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Even Loeb was there in his young year :p
http://www.v1600.com/files/v1600.jul...30_1_large.jpg