This is great, there are 10 guys who could win this, I like them all, it's going to be a great show, indycar is coming around. NOw if we can just survive long enough for people to see the show. Go go go...
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This is great, there are 10 guys who could win this, I like them all, it's going to be a great show, indycar is coming around. NOw if we can just survive long enough for people to see the show. Go go go...
AS I sit here...the show begins.....I am thinking I have to root for Tag's but I really have no issue with anyone winning or losing. I just want to see a good race.
I'll be rooting for Will, I feel ashamed hes got no ride for the year, hes way too good not to have a ride while there are so so many amateurs that have great rides
Meaning in part 75% of AGR I presume.Quote:
Originally Posted by harvick#1
How can Scott Dixon go from a near flawless run last year to causing three accidents in two races this year???
Scott Dixon stopped on the track
Dixon has been bashed and shunted by every moron on the track. I bet he wishes he could back to before all these idiots joined the series......Briscoe included!
There need to be bigger penalties for poor driving like Briscoe. Its a yellow flag!
How did he cause Briscoe to pole drive into him at 150MPH under yellow?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
I guess this year if you're down in the pack a little you have to contend with some very bad driving.
Last race he parked in another drivers pit. I think he is the amateur.Quote:
Originally Posted by harvick#1
Very Bad driving by briscoe
Congrats to Dario Franchitti for the win.
Danica ran an awesome race to get 4th! Way to go girl!!! :D
Here are the final results for Long Beach..
1. #10 Dario Franchitti
2. #12 Will Power
3. #11 Tony Kanaan
4. #7 Danica Patrick
5. #4 Dan Wheldon
6. #26 Marco Andretti
7. #3 Helio Castroneves
8. #2 Raphael Matos
9. #06 Robert Doornbos
10. #34 Alex Tagliani
11. #21 Ryan Hunter-Reay
12. #02 Graham Rahal
13. #6 Ryan Briscoe
14. #14 Vitor Meira
15. #9 Scott Dixon
16. #23 Darren Manning
17. #98 Stanton Barrett
18. #20 Ed Carpenter
19. #5 Mario Moraes
20. #27 Hideki Mutoh
21.#24 Mike Conway
22. #18 Justin Wilson
23. #13 EJ Viso
hmm same could be said from Dixon, he knocked EJ out of the race early in the race ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by themo
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Originally Posted by DanicaFan
Could have been Will, if he didn't flub..... Great race for Danica today!!
You can congratulate Back of Pack Danica for a 4th place finish but it had NOTHING to do with her driving an awesome race. She didn't pass a single car the entire race, including that of Ed Carpenter when Ed was out front of her. She, as usual, was the roulette winner that got her a place in line.
All in all, for these cars the first time to LB, I have to say how depressing of a race that really was. There were virtually no passes, except for Power passing Danica and Tags passing Hunter-Reay. Dario made one but seriously, that parade was worse than Belle Isle. Very disappointing action from LBGP in my opinion.
As far as Dixon, what was his deal today? He single handedly took 6 cars out of the race or contention.
Yeah, whatever Turn, Danica cant do anything right to you.
Fantasic Result for Will :D - I think they dont have the third car til Indy :mad:Now I love Ryan to bits everyone knows that but sometimes he can do somthing silly that gives you the urge to pull your hair out! Fustrating day out there today but he will bounce back, its going to take more than one race for me not to keep the faith!Quote:
Originally Posted by themo
Good weekend for Aussie Motorsport fans overall :D
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Originally Posted by DanicaFan
I said you can congratulate her for finishing 4th. Bottom line, that is all that counts. But can you tell me how that makes her suddenly a legitimate driver? What are the facts? She finished 4th on 2 complete luck yellow flag pit stops and she DID NOT pass a car the entire race. So no, unitl she can finish a singel timed session above 18th and start making competitive passes you're right, she can't do anything right for me. She shouldn't even have a ride in this series.
All you have to do is explain to me with facts and stats why I should consider a professional race car driver. You've never even tried because you can't.
Point of the day is....does anybody else agree it was a boring race? Too much fuel conservation, too many marbles, too similiar of cars, etc.
It was a typical street race. That's why I'm glad that the IRL probably won't be adding any more of these soon.
All in all a pretty good (street) race IMO.
PS. Way to go Danica!
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Originally Posted by TURN3
Here, here. I was going to post my comments but you summed it up nicely. This was a boring parade. All we needed was a high school band, a drill team and the local mayor with the key to the city. As wet as it was, the F1 GP of China was much more exciting and fun to watch. Now, bring on the drive-fast, turn-left portion of the season. Wake me up when its over....Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
BZ
please name one driver that hasn't done that, please. not one pit-road incident, it happens to every driver, Will told the media what happened alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by underpowered
It's ok, H #1 - only those who have never raced, and have never experienced a pit road in the middle of a race with all the rigs, uniforms, number boards, etc. all out at the same time (and 2/3 of them in the same color), would continue to hold one missed pit box error against a driver. Especially a driver with a brand new team.Quote:
Originally Posted by harvick#1
If they think finding your pit in those circumstances is easy, they should go try it instead of criticizing from the keyboard.
Race that was not. Parade of low power cars. Will P. is great racer with a situation and a car to finish 2nd is big. Again pit stops and yellows helped those who can't race. Possibility is there to make LB great again.
Street racing looks pretty, can have a nice crowd but it's not particularly exciting. Every once in awhile there's a decent F1 or IRL race that has some passing, ALMS can be ok, but today's was a bore. I'm happy to see Dario dominate the event, though not exactly surprised. Looking forward to the ovals and road courses now and perhaps some actual back and forth racing as opposed to parades and crashes.
Turn3, I think you're exaggerating there. Granted, she did benefit greatly from the way the cautions fell, but so did Dario and Power, they all pitted at opportune times. I don't hear anyone calling our Dario or Will's finishes due to that. What I see with Danica is a driver that rarely gets to the front except through strategy, but once she gets a position she tends to stay there. I think that's a skill. If she had made a successful pass on Tony or Will my jaw would have been on the floor, I've never seen her make a clutch pass like that, usually it's around lapped or slow traffic. But her conservative approach has also led to some ok results, usually top 10s sometimes top 5s. She's not an exciting driver to watch, but as a midpack talent she does OK.
F1 after only 3 races has more passes than themselves and IRL combined total passes for the last 3 years (huge exaggeration on my part just to make a point), that "every once in awhile" comment is not true anymore for F1, 3 races packed with lots of passes for position, many of them for the first 3 places, proving me and many wrong that it was not possible to have exciting races by changing rules dramatically.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickfalzone
Different series, different situations, but perhaps IRL can keep trying until they find the right changes to increase meaningful on track passes.
Hopefully one of the changes will be to minimize if not eradicate street races, I know many here romanticize Long Beach, just like many romanticize Monaco in F1, but the truth is that both create snore fests.
Whilst I'm hesitant to get drawn in to yet another Danica debate, I'm struggling to see why there's quite so much hostility regarding her race performance? Whilst accepting she didn't exactly blaze through the pack, neither did anybody else. I'd have thought bringing it home in a solid fourth and staying out of trouble when many others were bouncing off each other and/or the wall would merit a mention, even a grudging one? She may have benefitted from cautions, but you play the hand you are dealt. I can't see how gaining position from yellows caused by someone ELSE parking it in the fence can be used to belittle what was a pretty solid drive? Not exactly a thrilling race, but plenty of people managed to bin it, she didn't and gained as a result. That strikes me as a pretty decent strategy in a street race, to be honest.
I'll poked my nose in and post for the first time in a while just to say what a great job Danica did. I'm no great fan of hers but she drove a good race, showed some pace and certainly didn't back up the train like I thought she might.
Danica drove a good race, kept her nose clean and finished clean at fourth.....
She did the job she was supposed to do today. Good Job!!
if another thing, Vs. made the bonehead broadcast move like ESPN does, who the hell goes to commercial with 5 laps left while under green :mark:
That was a shocker from EJ. He dived up the outside without anywhere to go, he should have been a little more patient. Dive bombing isnt passing.Quote:
Originally Posted by harvick#1
I agree. I am not a Danica fan, but she drove a great race and I give her credit for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by hornet
Diving up or dive bombing are inside moves. EJ was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Dixon got wheel spin out of the corner, found himself in a bad place and didn't see his spot was occupied by another driver, Viso.Quote:
Originally Posted by underpowered
EJ got hit, Dixon crossed into his lane.
Come on man...Dixon is a great champion and racer but he was totally at fault there. You can't try to pass, give up on it, then change your line in the middle of the turn. He was obviously looking ahead and didn't see Viso but he's totally at fault there. He also caused the chain reaction 5 cars pile up in the hairpin. Add to that his dive bomb on Mutoh at St. Pete and It looks to have the makings of a case he now has a faster teammate he's pressing to catch. He'll be back but right now, he is struggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by underpowered
What a load of rubbish! Explain the 6 cars. I have watched the video again and every one of the three incidents I could find was caused by the other driver.....including that weird brain explosion by Briscoe.Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
The only way a fast driver can stay out of trouble in this new IRL is by winning a place in the top 4. It is Demo Derby at the back of the pack.
Regarding the Viso incident. I think there was a lot going on at that moment because they had all suddenly bunched up. For those few moments I think Dixon was more occupied with what was going on head of him and to his left, rather than what was coming from behind and his right. I thought it was just one of those racing incidents.
First off, I'm not trying to dog Dixon but, every driver has their day and so far this year he's had 2 that weren't his. The 6 cars I was referring to are Viso obviously, and the 5 cars piled up in the hair pin after he clocked the back of Rahal.Quote:
Originally Posted by underpowered
I have no issues with contact in racing. I sort of feel like if you never have any, you're probably not fast enough (could make a point of a certain popular driver here). I agree he was occupied with passing car in front on the Viso incident but you're not allowed to change your line and he clearly did that. For a guy like him to pull that in a jumbled up mess there, I think he has to be "at fault". Clearly though, it is racing and not supposed to be a parade like the vast majority of today's race.
Apparently there is another way to move to the front too...just qualify at that back and pit early. Then you don't have to pass a single car and you'll work your way to the front of the parade. We need a new formula fast...engine, chassis, and tires. Mix up the combos each team chooses and you'll get back to where passing on these courses is possibile.
Rubbish, EJ dive bombed up the outside three wide, EJ has to know that it may go wrong. I have re-watched it a couple of times now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
The chain reaction started three cars ahead of Dixon.
I accept that Dixon caused the contact with Mutoh, for the same reason I think EJ caused the contact with Dixon. It is very hard to pass on street courses, sometimes it is best to not try.
I agree, the luck involved in the pits was frustrating, but I guess thats racing also.Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
I can't wait to get back to the ovals! at least there is room to pass slower cars and less accidents. I was never a big oval fan a few years back but I am finding myself waiting anxiously for the action to start when we get to the ovals.
Dixon was inches away from the car in front. I dont buy EJ's excuse that Scott was slow out of the previous corner. If that was the case he wouldnt have been all over the car in front.Quote:
Originally Posted by bblocker68
EJ just needs to "man up" and say it was a 50/50 pass that didnt work out.
Like Scott said about his contact with Mutoh last race.