IMO Kimi will lead Button in the start, but Jenson will be better in pits. Of course, in Monaco you can never know...
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IMO Kimi will lead Button in the start, but Jenson will be better in pits. Of course, in Monaco you can never know...
First podium for a red car this year! :up:
Well, Kimi messed up the start and Felipe messed up when he cut the chicane and had to let Vettel back allowing Rosberg to slip through.
Without these mistakes they could have had 2 red cars on the podium.
I'm a bit disappointed with Kimi's lack of pace after Rubens' 2nd stop, he should have been faster with a light car than Rubens with a fueled up one.
Felipe fell foul to his early mistake otherwise he wouldn't have been behind Button before his 2nd stop.
Nice job for Ferrari! Great podium for Kimi!
Kimi didn't mess up the start, he had harder tires and the Brawn's were on softs and he was on the dirtier side of the track. The team messed up Kimi's second stop where he lost several seconds, he could have got Rubens, it was not the pace that was lacking. IMO drivers did a very good job but the team didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The harder tires were soft tires and they wouldn't make such a difference, so quit coming up with such excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Did you see the start to the warm-up lap? Those "harder" tires worked excellent at that moment.
The start in Monaco, given the short run down to the first corner, is a question of who pushes a button (no pun intended) faster after the lights go out. If you are a tenth of a second slower than the other guy you'll lose out. It's as simple as that.
Losing one place at the start is not messing up the start, it's racing, not a mistake, just racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Ferrari tactics were once again wrong, they should have started with super-soft tires like Brawn did. Also the last stint was way too long for super-softs.
To be fair they were doing better lap times at the end than the Brawns had been at the end of their short stint on the super-softs. You could argue that it was a smart move to keep the super-softs until the track had rubbered in.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
I disagree, the Ferrari strategy was best today.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
The supersoft tires were not suited to the track at the beginning and all the cars using them were having problems.
Once the track rubbered in the supersoft were doing great.
For once Ferrari made the right calls in terms of strategy.
One race has passed and now Ferrari isn't only a strong contender for P3 in WCC, but they can set their sights even for P2 and Red Bull (42,5-17 behind at the moment, but we will see, how well can RBR develop during a season). :p :
I also disagree with you, the strategy this time was perfect :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
And what good did their chosen strategy do for Ferrari?Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
It did to them no harm, really. They were not in position to challenge Brawn GP.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
The Ferrari tactics were perfect this weekend. Their strategy got them into a solid and fairly comfortable 3-4 finish and at one point Kimi was putting pressure on Rubens in the much faster Brawn during stint 2. There was no more they could do. Well done to the boys for finally getting the car and their strategy right for the first time this season :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
And I think Domenicali said in an interview that Ferrari will have an upgraded package with more downforce for Turkey...Apart from that, Massa is a master there.So, fingers crossed....
IMO, Felipe can win in Turkey. BTW, you wish in the signature is now true...Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
What does Massa like to say...oh yeah, "I OWN Turkey". He is sh!t hot at this track and hopefully he will be able to conquer the fast Brawn GP cars and take a first win in 2009 for the prancing horse (formely known as the tripping donkey).Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Go Massa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IMO the Red Bull will be his main rival in Turkey. Brawn will aim to beat Kimi and Mark with Jenson.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Well, it looks like being fast in todays practice and in Q1 ad Q2 means nothing when it comes to getting things right in Q3.
Both drivers complained about tires and car behavior in Q3.
Strange given that they both ran better times over 10 lap stints with fuel on board.
It looks like the car is good, the drivers are motivated and fast but they never manage to make most of their potential.
Once again, the start is crucial. They must overtake Trulli. After that, everything is possible with a good strategy if the racepace is there.
I don't understand why they go heavier than Brawns and Red Bulls in q3, I think they should be going for pole. Now there is a possibility of a Trulli train again. Looking at the drivers, Kimi has come back really strong this year, outqualifying Massa for the second race in succession in Massa's favourite circuit and with a heavier car.
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Both Kimi and Massa have been dismal this season, as has the car and team.
Massa is once again leading his highly rated teamate in the WDC by a few points, so Kimi is still finding it hard going.
Both Kimi and Felipe have been good this season. If the car was 1 second faster per lap and they had driven exactly the same, you would be saying they have driven really well, but because their car has been a box, their performances have been attacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
We have the best driver pairing by far in F1, but just no pace in that car.
I find it very difficult to agree with almost anything you say Garry :p : Massa seems to be getting something out of the car on ocassion but Kimi (who is a driver I rate higher than Felipe) is no where again this season. He obviously wasn't too keen on the car last year and still isn't and I think that the sooner he jumps ship the better for all involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Incidentally I believe that there is one key moment which has seen the slip from Ferrari, let's just say that I can't imagine a Ferrari dropping out in the first qualy session or nearly running out of fuel when Ross Brawn was at the helm. Much as I hate the bloke it's difficult to ignore the fact that he has an amzing tactical brain which the team has never managed to replace.
I am not sure why this hate for Kimi. Have you followed the races?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo
He has bettered Massa in qualifying 4:3 (and massa is no piquet in qualifying) and has mostly been pretty good in races (except china) and never really struggled for pace. He also is the guy who brought a podium for Ferrari.
Yesterday his race was screwed on first lap when Massa had to move suddenly to avoid RB and blocked Kimi and then damaged his front wing with Alonso.
Other than that the only problem he and Felipe had was that Ferrari again did not have pace.
What do you want from him? To win in this Ferrari?
It's hardly a hate for Kimi!!!!! I said that I rate him highly as a driver but don't think he's working well with the (admittedly sub-par) machinery. I'll admit that I'm just working on vague recollection of the races (because F1 rarely has the excitement to last for more than a day or 2 in my memory :D ) but Kimi just hsn't seemed to be doing particularly well. Also one of those 4:3 qualys was when Felipe ended up in the garage because the team didn't send him out, hardly worth chalking up a win for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
As for jumping ship, well he's not been superb at the team in the last year and seems to look bored and disinterested a lot of the time. Sometimes drivers just need a change of scenery to get the best out of them and I really don't feel that Raikkonen fits into the Ferrari family quite as well as other drivers have in the past :)
Kimi lost in one qualifying to Massa, because team didnt send him out either!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo
Another one he lost at Bahrain was because he did not have any new softs left for Q3. Surprisingly, he has been better in qualifying than Massa this year.
Kimi always seems bored and disinterested, he has been like that since the day he came to F1, that is simply his style. He is not an emotional guy and people mistake that for not caring about F1. That said, I would love to know how his "not being interested in F1" has shown itself to you?
By all accounts Kimi and Ferrari people get on very well.
He and Massa are a good team.
I have to agree, both drivers are doing great given the conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
The car isn't as bad as some would like us to believe. The chassis is excellent and very well balanced even with KERS.
The design team did a great job and even after the DDD were ruled legal they managed to develop the car faster than other teams and the results were obvious.
I believe that the problem lies with the race engineer team who are doing a very poor job. This last race they never managed to run the times we saw from them on Saturday morning, and they don't know why! This is a clear sign of a poorly done job.
They messed up the set-up of the cars in order to get better times in Q2 and that backfired in Q3 and the race.
Also the tire choice for qualifying was not the best one.
Sooner or later he should live up to the "Schumacher destroyer" hype! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
That's true, this is by far the strongest pairing on the grid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
There is no hype at all to that statement Ioan. Schumacher is highly overrated and mostly hype. The only reason he isn't still driving is because he is outclassed by the current field of younger talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
We are talking about Ralf right? :laugh:
I hope so! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
It's quite interesting that this year it has been quite opposite to what we have been used to in the past - so far in 2009 Kimi has seemed to be the better qualifier and Felipe the better racer of the Ferrari duo. Overall it's been rather close.
But overall it looks like we could see an interesting battle emerging between Toyota and Ferrari for P3 in WCC - like in 2005. We'll see, how does that pan out. :s mokin:
:eek: Incredible race by Massa!
Go Felipe! :up: :up: :up:
The Ferrari looked to be 3rd or maybe even 2nd fastest car in this race!
Wonder why they can't get their qualifying right for once.
Quite a change with both cars in the points. The way the coverage went you hardly noticed the Ferrari pace until later in the race. For a few laps there I thought Felipe might even have a shot at a podium finish.
Great drive by Massa :up:
Kimi needs to go :down: He's a #1 drivers ar$e.
race after race one thing is happening. Kimi slips back after his 1st pit stop. is there a problem with a heavy car or Kimi not able to work the tires properly after existing the pit ?
After his first stop he landed behind Trulli, and we all know that that means ;) , I'm not sure he would have been ahead of Massa when he came out , but he would have most like been closer.
To be honest yesterday he was never on the right foot strategy wise, but still he was slower than Massa and with such a tight field that cost him many places.Quote:
Originally Posted by race_director
What an idiotic comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2