Sorry for the delay but I went to see Rallye de Mortágua and just returned few minutes ago !Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
Thanks, Janusz !
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Sorry for the delay but I went to see Rallye de Mortágua and just returned few minutes ago !Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
Thanks, Janusz !
For RiN:
- '65 Rallye Vltava-CSSR
Jan Mohyla
For januszsz:
- '57 Int. Adriatic Rally
'Pegaso' (alias for Segio Bettoja)
- '71 Rallye des Routes du Nord
4th, J.C. Zaganelli / Ballcot, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
5th, José Barbara / Michel Verva, Ford Capri RS2600
6th, Jean-Pierre Rouget / Sonia? Delaunay, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
7th, Bernard Mordacq / Roux, BMW 2002 ti
8th, Roger Barbara / A. Lemire, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
9th, Dekytspotter / Michel Delannoy, Porsche 911S
10th, Michale Butler / Govert De Jong, Ford Capri 3000
- '71 Rallye de Genève
4th, Florian Vetsch / Olivier, Porsche 911S
5th, Marie-Pierre Palayer / Christine Rouff, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
6th, Bernard Fiorentino / Maurice Gélin, Simca-CG MC Coupé
7th, ?
8th, Guy Chasseuil, Alfa Romeo 1750
9th, ?
10th, ?
- '72 Sachs Rallye Baltic
Haugland's codriver: Arild Antonsen
Wilhelmsson's codriver: Johnasson
Carles.
Thank you Carles!Quote:
Originally Posted by Carles Bosch 02
and regards Janusz
Routes du Nord - 10th would be Mike (Michael) Butler and Bob De Jong (was his real name Govert?)
Of course... is Michael (not Michale) Butler. It's been a typo. On Bob de Jong, I think his name is Govert, 'though i don't know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by FAL
Carles.
Thanks !Quote:
Originally Posted by Carles Bosch 02
Tom
There is (nearly) no end to my list of missing names.
Hope you bear with me :-).....
1961:
Tulpen:
J.... Roestenburg / Margaret McKenzie (Auto Union)
H.... Steunebrink / Klaas Baarendrekt (Jaguar)
Mille Miglia:
Albino Buttichi / N.... Camili (Alfa Romeo)
Gianfranco Bonetto / ?.... Pellizzaro (Alfa Romeo)
Rinaldo Parmiggiani / ?.... Razzuoli (Alfa Romeo)
Armando Zampiero / ?.... Corona (Alfa Romeo)
Piero Frescobaldi / ?.... Sama (Lancia)
Liege:
Francis Charlier / ?.... Jowat (Ford)
1962:
Liege:
Francis Charlier / ?.... Mosbeux (Ford)
Geneve
(Roger?) Meunier / ?.... Grosrey (Jaguar)
1963:
Monte-Carlo:
Roger de Lageneste - C.... du Genestoux (Citroen)
Tulpen:
L.... H.... Bakker - Heinz Umbach (Porsche)
Germany:
Dieter Gerhards - ?.... Henneke (Mercedes)
Wolfgang Köppel - M.... Köppel (BMW)
Helmut Kelleners - ?.... Bocham (Fiat)
Reiner Brechler - M.... Brechler (Volvo)
Sardegna:
Piero Frescobaldi - ?.... Martelli (Abarth)
Mario Casula - T.... Casula (Lancia)
Piero Bagnasacco - ?.... Bonomi (Volvo)
B.... Melis - Walter Cordaro (Alfa Romeo)
Alessandro Sorcinelli - ?.... Binaghi (Morris Cooper)
Tom
Hi Tom,
here what I could find !
1962 - Liège - Francis Charlier-Nicolas Mosbeaux
1963 - Germany - Helmut Kelleners-Ferdi Boekmann (that's what I have)
and what about :
Tulipes - Karl Schottler-J??? Sackl (Jurgen?)
Geneve 62 - Robert Meier-E??? Bechtel
Regards
jorge
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrally
Thanks!
I have Jürgen Säckl and Erich Bechtel.
Tom
Hi Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by RiN
Some more I was able to find :
64 Tulpen:
Kurt Pfnier - Wolfram Berns (DKW)
65 3 Stadt
Günther Schorn - Hans Pail (Steyr Puch)
2 questions :
Austria 64 - the complete name of Schindler's co-driver, Naber ?
Alpes 65 - the complete name of Vinatier's co-driver, Melot (Hubert?) ?
Thanks
regards
jorge
Hi Janusz,
Thanks for the names !
Here what I was able to find for you !
1971
Semperit
Carl Christian Schindler / Gustav Hruschka
7th Walter Poltinger-Hans Hartinger Porsche 911 S
Gernot Fischer / Wolfgang Tazl
1972
Baltic
Paul Olsen / Kartsen Richardt
Henning Christensen / Poul-Erik Moller
John Haugland / Arild Antonsen
Tommy Wilhelmsson / Arne Johansson
Regards
jorge
Some missing names from 1960
Tulip - Johnnie Boardman-J???? Withworth
Acropolis - Wolfgang Levy-J?? H?? Boekhout
Acropolis - ???? Buch-???? Zimmermann
Liège-Rome-Liège - Christian Poirot-???? Guillemin
Liège-Rome-Liège - ???? Bichat-Claude Marbaque
RAC - Ian 'Tiny' Lewis-G??? S??? Sheppard
Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge
Again, thanks !Quote:
Originally Posted by jrally
I have Fritz Naber and Hubert Melot.
Tom
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrally
I have Otto Linzenburg as Levy's co-driver at Acropolis '60.
And Bichat's first name I have as Francois.
Tom
Thank you Jorge!Quote:
Originally Posted by jrally
There is one misunderstanding or I have wrong driver in 8th. I have in 8th Georg Fischer (VW 1302S) missing co-driver, Gernot Fischer (VW 1302S) with Wolfgang Tazl I have in 5th. Do you know who was in 8th or if Georg Fischer is OK, let me know his co-driver, please. One Question more on Semperit'71: do you know first names of 4th: ... Walch / ... Rothfuss (Porsche 911 S)?
Regards
Janusz
Thanks Tom !Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
Janusz,
8th Vic Dietmayer-Hans Peter Moser in a BMW 2002 Ti
Manfred Walch-Johann Rothfuss
Best regards
jorge
One question,
Who co-drove Carl Schindler in Austria 66 ?
Thanks
jorge
Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by RiN
I have from a report of british magazine 'Motor' that the co-driver of Levy was Bockhoud ...
Who give us a help to know who, in fact, was his co-driver ? Dimitris ?
Best regards
jorge
H' ACROPOLIS RALLY 1960 ResultsQuote:
Originally Posted by jrally
3.No 92.W.LEVY / H.WALTER Auto Union 1000
..........................
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8.No 7.Dr. HELMUT BUSCH / ZIMMERMAN Porsche 1600
Rgds
Dimitris
Thank you Jo!Quote:
Originally Posted by jrally
Sorry I can't help you with CC Schindler's co-driver (Alpenfahrt'66) as I have an empty space instead.
Regards
Janusz
Thank You very much, Dimitris !Quote:
Originally Posted by DIMI44
3 persons, 3 different co-drivers !!!
Best regards
jorge
One question which is history now ....
Does someone where I can find the final complete results of Rallyes Yalta and Georgia of this year ?
Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge
Jo, are you sure that Georgia Rally was held? I am afraid there was only armoured brigades rally on Georgia and it was won by Red Army ;(Quote:
Originally Posted by jrally
Regards
Janusz
I think You are right, Janusz !Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
But as I see it on FIA events list (which is actualized) I wanted to be sure !
And what about Yalta ? They have a english part of the site but they allways forget to publish the final classification .... I try all the items in cirilic but I'm not able to find them .....
To the organizers if they read this .....
Is it so difficult to publish the classification in the english part of the site ?!?!
Best regards
jorge
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrally
The German quarterly magazine MOTOR REVUE gives Naber as Schindler's co-driver. BUT, I for one, do not think they were among the first ten, although I have a source, MOTORÅRET, which says so.
In Martin Pfundner's book DIE ALPENFAHRT 1910-1970, which I have found very reliable, the author says on page 145:
'Grosse Anerkennung verdient auch der kleine Skoda 1000 MB, der mit den Fahrern Václav Bobek jun. / V.Rieger auf dem 7. und Oldrich Horsák / Miroslav Fousek auf dem 10. Platz der Gesamtwertung landete.'
The class-results given in MOTOR REVUE correspond with this a long way, as there would have been at least two other cars placed above Schindler / Naber.
So this is what I believe is correct, but prove me wrong, and I'll bite the dust :-)
1.Paddy Hopkirk / Ron Crellin 0 2500,00
2.Gunter Wallrabenstein / Ernst Otto Müller 0 2447,41
3.Alfred Burkhardt / Otto Koch-Bodes 0 2218,87
4.Herbert Kleint / Günther Klapproth 1 2102,30
5-E.Buchbauer-Geri Brandstetter 2 2115,97
6-Helmuth Klomfart-Ernst Marquart 3 2170,16
7-Václav Bobek-Vojtech Rieger 3 2114,72
8-Gernot Fischer-Franz Mauerhofer 5 2322,83
9-Alois Wiener-Antonie Wiener 6 2330,44 or 2282,83
10-Oldrich Horsak / Miroslav Fousek ???
König / Thaler 6 2249,71
Lieskonig / Hörmann 7 2037,73
Schindler / Naber 8 2379,95
Tom
Thanks Tom,
when we think that we have accurate results there it comes another classification. But that's also why these things are interesting and funny ! Because we have to restart again all the researchs.
The problem is allways 'What source should I trust ? "
For instance, regarding Tulipen 67 you've trust MOTORÅRET but in this You trust more in MOTOR REVUE.
Sometimes we found a result in a magazine and because we don't have another alternative source we allways claim 'That's the correct one' and we told everyone that ... but many times it isn't ...
I think results from 50 and 60 are a little bit like that !
Best regards
jorge
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrally
True.
Regarding reliable sources, after reseraching for a while, you get a feeling of who/what to trust. But when you've got three different sources where there's no indication that they have copied each other, and two of them fits in with each other, you tend to belive that's right, although it's no proof.
It seems like it's only a handful of us here that's interested in this '50/'60's stuff. Maybe we should pool our findings, and where there's differences we could discuss our respective sources and maybe end up with the most likely result. If not all, at least some problems could be ironed out that way.
Tom
I am looking for a list of Swedish Rally Champions of 50's (was it held in 50's?) and then of 60's and 70's. Anybody can help me? (more result than just the winners wellcomed).
Regards
Janusz
1965:Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
1. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina GT/Lotus 29
2. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 27
3. Lars-Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 25
4. Björn Waldegård, VW 1500/1600 24
5. Harry Källström, BMC Cooper 21
6. Ove Andersson, Saab Sport 20
7. Berndt Jansson, Renault Gordini 20
8. Åke Andersson, Saab Sport 18
9. Lars Krall, BMC Cooper 17
10.Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 14
1966:
Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord 43
2. Anders Gullberg, Opel Rekord 35
3. Lars-Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 30
4. Leif Nilsson, VW 1600 28
5. Bertil Söderström, Opel Rekord 24
6. Ryno Larsson, Opel Kadett 21
7. Jan Henriksson, Opel Kadett 21
8. Bo Johansson, VW 1600 20
=. Carl Carlsson, Opel Rekord 20
10.Bengt Karlsson, VW 1600 15
Gr.2:
1. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 43
2. Åke Andersson, Saab Sport 40
3. Carl Orrenius, Saab Sport 35
4. Håkan Lindberg, Renault Gordini 26
5. Harry Källström, BMC Cooper 24
=. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina Lotus 24
7. Ove Andersson, Ford Cortina Lotus 22
8. Björn Waldegård, VW 1600 19
9. Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 18
10.Anders Sigurdsson , Saab Sport/Volvo 122S 16
Tom
Thank you Tom. I didn't dream top 10 is possible to get. It is interesting if other champions of 60's and 70's are available?Quote:
Originally Posted by RiN
Regards
Janusz
1967:
Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord 43
2. Jan Henriksson, Opel Rekord 37
3. Anders Gullberg, Opel Rekord 33
4. Leif Nilsson, Porsche 912 30
5. Albin Griberg, Porsche 912 27
6. Håkan Lindberg, Saab V4 24
7. Lars Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 22
8. Hans Avelin, Saab V4 15
9. Olle Bromark, Saab V4 14
10.Bo Johansson, Porsche 912 13
Gr.2:
1. Per Tjerneld, Opel Rekord 36
2. Björn Waldegård, Porsche 911 29
3. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 27
4. Olof Karlberg, Volvo 122S 26
5. Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 25
6. Sven Simonsson, Volvo 122S 21
7. Jan Eneqvist, Opel Rekord 20
8. Carl Orrenius, Saab V4 15
9. Sylvia Ôsterberg, Renault Gordini 14
10.Ingemar Frohm, Ford Cortina Lotus 12
1968:
Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord 107
2. Lars Skoglund, Renault Gordini 94
3. Albin Griberg, Porsche 912 75
4. Åke Nilsson, Renault Gordini 75
5. Sune Danielsson, Opel Rekord 66
6. Jan Eric Tonebrand, BMC Cooper 62
7. Christer Bååth, Audi 55
8. Hans Avelin, Opel Rekord 48
9. Jan-Åke Olsson, Opel Rekord 41,5
10.Lars Carlsson, Porsche 912 40
Gr.2:
1. Tom Trana, Saab V4 96
2. Håkan Lindberg, Saab V4 95
3. Björn Waldegård, Porsche 911L 87
4. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 82
5. Anders Kulläng, Opel Rallye Kadett 63
6. Per Eklund, Saab V4 63
7. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina Lotus/Escort TC 60
8. Lars Nyström, Porsche 911L 58
9. Åke Andersson, Porsche 911L 58
10.Per Tjerneld, Opel Rallye Kadett 52
1969:
Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord Sprint/Kadett Rallye 94
2. Jan Henriksson, Opel Kadett Rallye 92
3. Lennart Eliasson, BMW 1600 TI 78,5
4. Jan Erik Tonebrand, Opel Kadett Rallye 75
5. Curt Bristam, BMW 1600 TI 73
6. Per-Erikk Eriksson, BMW 1600 TI 73
7. Carl Olov Sahlsten, Opel Kadett Rallye 55
8. Bror Danielsson, Opel Kadett Rallye 44
9. Gunnar Blomqvist, Opel Kadett Rallye 41
10.Rune Åhlin, Opel Kadett Rallye 34
Gr.2:
1. Ove Eriksson, Opel Kadett Rallye 95
2. Håkan Lindberg, Saab V4 87
3. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 74
4. Björn Waldegård, Porsche 911 69
5. Carl Orrenius, Saab V4 69
6. Lars Ingvar Ytterbring, Opel Kadett Rallye 66
7. Anders Kulläng, Opel Kadett Rallye 56
8. Tom Trana, Saab V4 56
9. Per Tjerneld, Vauxhall Viva GT 41
10.Rolf Andersson, Volvo 142S 36
1970:
Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Kadett Rallye 102
2. Gunnar Blomqvist, Opel Kadett Rallye 94
3. Anders Kulläng, Opel Kadett Rallye 91
4. Arne Allansson, BMW 2002 TI 76
5. Carl Olov Sahlsten, BMW 2002 TI 67
6. Ove Olsson, BMW 2002 TI 67
7. Anders Gullberg, BMW 2002 TI 63
8. Hans Olof Wilén, BMW 1600 TI 62
9. Bror Danielsson, Opel Kadett Rallye 41
10.Sylvia Österberg, Opel Kadett Rallye 40
Gr.2:
1. Ove Eriksson, Opel Kadett Rallye 104
2. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 96
3. Carl Orrenius, Saab V4 84
4. Jan Henriksson, Opel Kadett Rallye 68
5. Rolf Andersson, Volvo 142S 68
6. Lars Ingvar Ytterbring, Opel Kadett Rallye 67
7. Lars Carlsson, Volvo 142S 60
8. Stig Larsson, Saab V4 52
9. Håkan Lindberg, Saab V4 47
10.Per Eklund, Saab V4 47
Tom, you are great! Thank you very much.
Regards
Janusz
1971:
Gr.1:
1. Anders Kulläng, Opel Kadett Rallye 67
2. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Kadett Rallye 52
3. Ingvar Carlsson, BMW 2002 50
4. Anders Gullberg, BMW 2002 46
5. Lars Ingvar Ytterbring, Opel Kadett Rallye 44
6. Gunnar Blomqvist, Opel Kadett Rallye 44
7. Arne Allansson, BMW 2002 42
8. Anders Käll, BMW 2002 40
9. Håkan Lindberg, Fiat 125 33
10.Sylvia Österberg, Opel Kadett Rallye 24
Gr.2:
1. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 69
2. Ove Eriksson, Opel Kadett Rallye 57
3. Per Eklund, Saab V4 54
4. Per Inge Walfridsson, Volvo 142S 50
5. Tom Trana, Saab V4 31
6. Lars Nyström, BMW 2002 25
7. Sven Simonsson, Volvo 142S 25
8. Anders Stenström, Saab V4 19
9. Bert Gustavsson, Ford Escort TC/Volvo 142S 19
10.Lasse Jönsson, Saab V4 18
1972:
Gr.1:
1. Ingvar Carlsson, BMW 2002 56
2. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Ascona 53
3. Anders Gullberg, BMW 2002 40
4. Leif Asterhag, BMW 2002 37
5. Arne Allansson, Opel Ascona 36
6. Jan Henriksson, Opel Ascona 33
7. Lars Carlsson, Opel Ascona 31
8. Per-Olof Flogner, Opel Kadett 24
9. Bror Danielsson, Opel Ascona 21
10.Gunnar Blomqvist, Opel Ascona 20
Gr.2:
1. Anders Kulläng, Opel Ascona 46
2. Carl Orrenius, Saab V4 43
3. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 35
4. Lars Nyström, Opel Ascona 32
5. Sven Simonsson, Volvo 142S 31
6. Lars Ingvar Ytterbring, Datsun 1600 30
7. Ove Eriksson, Opel Ascona 29
8. Bert Gustavsson, Volvo 142S 28
9. Per Eklund, Saab V4 23
10.Karl-Olof Sahlsten, Opel Ascona 23
1973:
Gr.1:
1. Bror Danielsson, BMW 2002 TII 58
2. Ruben Börjesson, Opel Ascona 43
3. Ingvar Carlsson, BMW 2002 TI 39
4. Bengt Nilsson, Opel Ascona 35
5. Arne Allansson, BMW 2002 TI 28
6. Sylvia österberg, Opel Ascona 28
7. Per Olof Flogner, Opel Ascona 28
8. Roger Eriksson, Opel Ascona 25
9. Erik Johansson, Opel Ascona 23
10.Morgan örneus, Opel Ascona 23
Gr.2:
1. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 58
2. Per Eklund, Saab V4 58
3. Lasse Jansson, Saab V4 39
4. Anders Kulläng, Opel Ascona 39
5. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Ascona 25
6. Curt Göransson, BMW 2002 TI 25
7. Roger Johansson, Saab V4 23
8. Ove Eriksson, Opel Ascona 22
9. Gunnar Blomqvist, Opel Ascona 20
10.Per Inge Walfridsson, Volvo 142S 14
Excellent job, Tom!
Regards
Janusz
Couldn't find a history section someone told me was in this section ?
so here goes anyway>
need these results - please .
Thx in advance,
Please ask your question in the history thread, probably someone can help you. ;) http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...128974&page=10
Just only top 6:Quote:
Originally Posted by 55spyder
1. Jean-Marie Carron/Pierre Schaer-CH-Porsche Carrera RS 3h14m47s
2. Andrzej jaroszewicz/Ryszard Zyszkowski-PL-Lancia Stratos HF 3h17m33s
3. Federico Cane/Gaetano Orlando-I-Fiat 124 Spyder Abarth 3h20m26
4. Eros Medici/Claudio Sannitz-CH-Porsche Carrera RS 3h30m35s
5. Werner Schweizer/Bernd Ostmann-D-Opel Kadett GT/E 3h31m07s
6. Alberto Mella/Giancarlo Borro-I-Alfa Romeo 3h32m54s
... 31 finishers
Regards
Janusz
Thx much Januszsz ,
How about 1976 333 Minuti .
Top 20 ? (or any - starting at top)
Anyone ?
PS - what's the subtitle to find this section on the Forum (i can't - had to back door by searching for my last post in general forum search !!).
Thx , in advance
55spyder
Hi, my results of Rallye Lugano 1976:
1. J.M.Carron / P.Schaer CH Porsche Carrera
2. A.Jaroszewicz / R.Żyszkowski PL Lancia Stratos HF
3. F.Cane / G.Orlando CH Fiat 124 Abarth
4. E.Medici / C.Sannitz CH Porsche Carrera
5. W.Schweizer / B.Ostmann Opel Kadett GT/E
6. A.Mella / G-C.Borro Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV
7. G.Pozzi / A.Isanz Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV
8. S.Galfetti / G.Bernasconi Opel Ascona
9. F.Gerard / D.Vanoutryve Simca 1000 Rally II
10. M.Romanello / I.Romanello Alfa Romeo Alfasud