Donkey of the Race (Canada GP Edition)

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11th June 2008, 15:04
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by jens

Oh, Hamilton was very Sennaesque and also Schumacheresque by taking his chief title rival out. ;) Let's look at the bright side - Lewis is matching the legends in every area! :D

I think a Piquet/Salazar-style coming-together between Hamilton and, say, Piquet Jr should be next on his agenda.
11th June 2008, 15:04
ioan

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

ioan, I'm sorry, but I really think it's time to turn the record off.

Really? Poor Hamilton and McLaren fans are so sensible that 3 days of criticism is to much?!

It isn't my fault that he was daydreaming and run into Kimi's car. And Ron and Norbi come and say it's nothing, it happens, because F1 cars don't have rear lights he didn't see that they were stopped, and anyway he would have won the race if it wasn't for this, you all saw it how he was extraordinarily exceptional!

:vomit:
11th June 2008, 15:15
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by ioan

Really? Poor Hamilton and McLaren fans are so sensible that 3 days of criticism is to much?!

It isn't my fault that he was daydreaming and run into Kimi's car. And Ron and Norbi come and say it's nothing, it happens, because F1 cars don't have rear lights he didn't see that they were stopped, and anyway he would have won the race if it wasn't for this, you all saw it how he was extraordinarily exceptional!

:vomit:

ioan,

I am no Hamilton, nor a McLaren, fan. I would have hoped this would now be clear to you - not everyone who doesn't like all the sniping is automatically a 'fan' of the team/driver being sniped at. Opinions don't work like that.

Anyway, life is too short to prolong this discussion, as far as I'm concerned.
11th June 2008, 15:15
BDunnell

Oh, and you mean sensitive, not sensible.
11th June 2008, 15:29
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by ioan

McLaren's top men will never ceasse to surprise us with their arrogance :

Link: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68203

Arrogant team bosses, arrogant driver, arrogant cheats! :rolleyes:

You conveniently ommitted to mention that both Norbert Haug and Martin Whitmarsh sought out and appologised to Stefano Dominicalli.

Never mind, I'm sure it wasn't important enough.... :dozey:
11th June 2008, 15:32
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by ioan

...Ron and Norbi come and say it's nothing.

Ron Dennis - "At the end of the day, he put himself out of the grand prix, as simple as that".

It really is as simple as that :s mokin:
11th June 2008, 15:33
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by ioan

Really? Poor Hamilton and McLaren fans are so sensible that 3 days of criticism is to much?!

It isn't my fault that he was daydreaming and run into Kimi's car. And Ron and Norbi come and say it's nothing, it happens, because F1 cars don't have rear lights he didn't see that they were stopped, and anyway he would have won the race if it wasn't for this, you all saw it how he was extraordinarily exceptional!

:vomit:

If anyone has seen any of the UK Big Brother, does ioan's attitude remind you of that gobby bird Alex at all?

I need to point out for any mentally challenged souls on here that that was not a personal insult, just an opinion, and a very valid one at that if I may be so bold as to say. The use of the word remind above is the clue here......

Shame I have to point it out, but there you go.
11th June 2008, 17:02
Breeze

Having reviewed the video of that pitlane incident, it looks as though Kimi was first at the light and was at full stop for a full second before Lewis hit him. If it takes no more than one second for a F1 car to stop from 50mph(80kph) then it stands to reason Lewis had as little as two seconds to realize what was happening in front of him and react accordingly. He was probably paying more attention to Kubica as he (RK) was in line behind Kimi and in front of Hamilton so arguably even less time to react.

BUT, both Kimi and Kubica had time to bring their cars to a stop and not run the light, which leads me to believe Lewis should have had enough time to react accordingly, IF he wasn't busy with something in the car. So in the end, he and Nico can be slightly excused for the blunder (Nico would have had even less time to react as Lewis was already late). I guess that makes them Burros rather than Donkeys.

As for truefan's comments regarding racism, I still think he's way off base. I've read the comments posted in the two threads about this before truefan came in with his remark and I have to say, I've seen MUCH, MUCH worse about other drivers and other incidents. I'd even characterize the prior posts as generally VERY MILD and EVEN-HANDED with respect to calling out both Lewis and Nico. Sorry to beat a dead horse truefan, et. al., but IMO calling someone racist without eveidence is a lot worse than calling a F1 driver a git, friikin idiot or numbnuts for crashing in the pitlane.
11th June 2008, 17:48
F1boat

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Ron Dennis - "At the end of the day, he put himself out of the grand prix, as simple as that".

It really is as simple as that :s mokin:

Although he managed to take another guy with himself. Really, I think that the reason for people to bash Lewis is that he really talks a lot about how unstoppable he is etc. That makes other drivers more likable. I also might add that the Lewis bashing is hardly as severe as the hate fest, dedicated to Massa after round 2.
11th June 2008, 18:13
ioan

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Ron Dennis - "At the end of the day, he put himself out of the grand prix, as simple as that".

It really is as simple as that :s mokin:

Not really, he also put a competitor out of the race, but that won't be found in Ron "Integrity" Denni's words cause it doesn't help his point!

Things aren't as simple as some want them to look! :p :
11th June 2008, 18:49
yodasarmpit

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Originally Posted by ioan

Not really, he also put a competitor out of the race, but that won't be found in Ron "Integrity" Denni's words cause it doesn't help his point!

Things aren't as simple as some want them to look! :p :

Go find another forum to talk trash in, please.
11th June 2008, 19:06
ioan

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Originally Posted by yodasarmpit

Go find another forum to talk trash in, please.

What a wonderful addition to the discussion! And you talk about others. :rolleyes:

PS: Are you a Hamsandwich fan?! :p :
11th June 2008, 19:10
yodasarmpit

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Originally Posted by ioan

What a wonderful addition to the discussion! And you talk about others. :rolleyes:

PS: Are you a Hamsandwich fan?! :p :

DC Fan, sorry.
11th June 2008, 19:12
ioan

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Originally Posted by yodasarmpit

DC Fan, sorry.

Even better, given that he'll be out of F1 by the end of the season! :D
11th June 2008, 19:33
F1boat

I respect DC a lot more, BTW. Sure, he is not as talented and sometimes on and off track he was rubbish, yet he is a noble competitor and never looked arrogant to me. Unlike ioan, I will miss him when he leaves, even if I think that the time for this have come.
11th June 2008, 21:50
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by truefan72

it is pointless trying to discuss anything of substance about this matter, as some folks around here will only read what they want to or see what they want to.The issue is too complex or intricate for some here to graps or willing to look beyond their own dislikes so no matter what one says, it will always be percieved in the lens of that perception.

To those unable or unwilling to face certain realities in today's world or those who cannot detach their dislike of Hamilton from criticism of his performance then so be it. It may be asking too much from some of you here to leave out the added gusto of insults, bad nicknames, and downright silliniess when discussing LH. When the discussion deteriotes to the fact that his apology wasn't humble enough for some, or goes of into pointless insults, thats were I take issue.
not about the incident, or about the penalty

So its probably best to move on and discuss France and the upcoming race.

cheers

You first accuse many people here of being racists and then cry about deteriorating discussion. Clever. :up:

Give yourself an uppercut and think back of the abuse you used to dish out for Schumacher and how hypocritical accusations you made towards people here make you look.
11th June 2008, 23:41
truefan72

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I thought a lot of the anti-Schumacher stuff on here was equally intolerable, but this doesn't justify some or most of the comments being made on here about Hamilton. This would be the case if Schumacher had followed Hamilton into F1, rather than vice versa.

For the less partisan enthusiasts amongst us, the atmosphere continues to be made very unpleasant.

Thank you BDunnell andHawkmoon. And I agree. I've never been a particualr fan of Schumacher but respected him as the finest driver in F1 and as such always had my respect ( grudgingly). I don't expect impartiality from anyone out there and the occasional jibe adds banter to the forums. But the nature of some of the comments towards LH is at times waaay off base IMO. He seems to illicite genuine displeasure from some parts that on a normal circumstance simply don't make sense.

But its best to move on and see how things proceed or if other threads quickly degenrate into LH bashing, no matter the subject.
12th June 2008, 00:03
truefan72

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

You first accuse many people here of being racists and then cry about deteriorating discussion. Clever. :up:

Give yourself an uppercut and think back of the abuse you used to dish out for Schumacher and how hypocritical accusations you made towards people here make you look.

That's just a load of nonsens, I've only been on this thread since May 28th 2005 and the bulk of my posts started with the 2006 season. I never used nicknames for MS, never called him an idiot, or "the chin" like others did, or made or hurled a slew of unsults his way. In fact, my one biggest gripe about him was the monaco park job he did and how a great driver like him tarnished his reputation with underhanded tactics like that, The second biggest gripe I had with him was when I refeferenced the fact that in the USA GP he should have gotten out of his car and figured out how serious the accident was with his own brother. Other than that, I have had the typical issues with MS others have had, without resorting to blatant insults. I've had a bigger issue with Ferrari than I've ever had with MS. The worst nickname I've ever given was calling Ferrari the FIArrari. So check all my posts and find a place where I've levied insults in the manner of which you speak of.

Now if you can't read my posts and intepret "some people" with many people then I suggest the issue is with you. If you personally feel offended by the fact that I suggest that "some" here are motivated by other factors that delve into race, then you might have to ask yourself why YOU feel your are being called out. The vast majority of folks on this forum argue contructuively and voice their opinions in decent manner. The few out there, whom I never mentioned by name, seem to take F1 as some sort of bloodsport or war and treat others in that regard. Then there are those who constantly hurl insults at a particular driver, some who simply come on to the forum to do so, and some who clearly have a problem with Lh that goes way beyond the bounds of driver preference. If you think that my purposly vague reference to those people speaks directly to you, then you might want to take a step back and examin why that is.

So please don't confuse those few I mention with the good many guys and gals on this forum that I enjoy communicationg with.
12th June 2008, 06:44
wmcot

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Originally Posted by turves

So, James Allen, how Senna-esque was Hamilton in Montreal...? :laugh:

I don't pay much attention to James Allen, after all, he's in love with Lewis! ;)
12th June 2008, 06:47
wmcot

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Originally Posted by ioan

Not really, he also put a competitor out of the race, but that won't be found in Ron "Integrity" Denni's words cause it doesn't help his point!

Things aren't as simple as some want them to look! :p :

But if you aren't driving for Ron you don't count! Actually, only one driver on Ron's team counts - so that makes 1 driver and 19 monkeys!
12th June 2008, 09:58
SGWilko

Another good Season Strokes in Autosport Journal this week.

http://www.autosport.com/journal/article.php/id/1614
12th June 2008, 10:03
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Another good Season Strokes in Autosport Journal this week.

:laugh:
12th June 2008, 11:27
CNR

:fasttalk: yes we know that lewis was leading the race and had made his one and only pitstop before he would go on to win the race :grenade:

lewis was leading the race BS
he was passed in pit lane that would have put him 3rd after all 1st pitstops and kimmi was faster before the pitstop
12th June 2008, 20:05
donKey jote

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Originally Posted by Breeze

BUT, both Kimi and Kubica had time to bring their cars to a stop and not run the light, which leads me to believe Lewis should have had enough time to react accordingly, IF he wasn't busy with something in the car.

maybe he was too busy making sure he had his finger on the right button ;) :p
:dozey:

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_166.gif
13th June 2008, 15:15
Daniel

Thought it needed to be posted somewhere :p
http://niko.mirror.waffleimages.com/...ee5f75fbb6.jpg
14th June 2008, 08:16
wmcot

I doesn't take a genius to stop for a red light and two parked cars...

Yuje Ide would have stopped - (after running over a mechanic or two)
Alex Yoong would have stopped - (actually crashed before reaching the pit exit)
Cristijan Albers would have stopped - (still trailing his fuel hose)
14th June 2008, 15:33
markabilly

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Originally Posted by wmcot

I doesn't take a genius to stop for a red light and two parked cars...

Yuje Ide would have stopped - (after running over a mechanic or two)
Alex Yoong would have stopped - (actually crashed before reaching the pit exit)
Cristijan Albers would have stopped - (still trailing his fuel hose)

:rotflmao:
14th June 2008, 15:50
markabilly

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Originally Posted by Willard67

Lewis - Made himself look a right tit with that incident in all honesty. And the "Sorry IF I ruined Kimi's race"... :rolleyes:

Can't really think of anyone else to nominate really.

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Originally Posted by Storm

Hamilton.

For a change I was in awe of him after his amazing pole lap on saturday where he locked up at the hairpin but still managed to improve his time!

But yesterday was hilarious.

Ron Dennis saying "its difficult for drivers to look at other cars or lights at the same time" is even more hilarious.
They are in F1 for *** sake.
If they can't look at these things and judge it, they should be driving taxis.

ps : Racism has nothing to do with my dislike of Hamilton..I am black or brown if you prefer :)

All you have to do is compare the above stuff from hamilton to the comments below, and the reason many dislike him should be clear........

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

What does Nico say ?
“I think I deserve the penalty, the same as Hamilton. He didn't stop, and neither did I, so we deserve the same fate. I saw the red lights too late, so it is natural that there is a penalty. I made a mistake,”

“Of course, if Hamilton had slowed, I would have been able to better understand what was going on. But he kept going, and then suddenly ... "
14th June 2008, 16:05
Tallgeese

Hamilton, but Alonso would come second. I don't know why he crashed out, but all I can say is, he had the chance to get a podium & some heavy points!
15th June 2008, 14:06
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by truefan72

That's just a load of nonsens, I've only been on this thread since May 28th 2005 and the bulk of my posts started with the 2006 season. I never used nicknames for MS, never called him an idiot, or "the chin" like others did, or made or hurled a slew of unsults his way.

Did you ever show your displeasure at such nicknames though?

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The second biggest gripe I had with him was when I refeferenced the fact that in the USA GP he should have gotten out of his car and figured out how serious the accident was with his own brother.

LOL.
What else could he have done besides what he was told on radio? Absurd suggestion.

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Now if you can't read my posts and intepret "some people" with many people then I suggest the issue is with you. If you personally feel offended by the fact that I suggest that "some" here are motivated by other factors that delve into race,

I am not offended by anything in life, especially not from insults coming from someone on the internet.

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then you might have to ask yourself why YOU feel your are being called out.

I don`t feel like that at all, I just feel that someone was making idiotic attacks on other forum members and in such a case I will voice my opinion, strongly (the only way I know).

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The vast majority of folks on this forum argue contructuively and voice their opinions in decent manner.

A constructive discussion requires at least 2 sides, but when one side cries racism as the reason why someone is getting attacked, it makes intelligent debate very hard.

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