Rally History (part II)

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Originally Posted by Kaps

Thanks jorge!

To continue with 1976;
Here's what I managed to reconstruct for Lancia's participation in that season:

1.Monte Carlo
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
Waldegard-Thorszelius Lancia Stratos HF
Pinto-Bernacchini Lancia Stratos HF

Team Chardonnet(?):
Darniche-Mahe Lancia Stratos HF

2.Swedish
Lancia Alitalia:
Waldegard-Thorszelius Lancia Stratos HF
Lampinen-Hertz Lancia Stratos HF

3.Portugal
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
Pinto-Bernacchini Lancia Stratos HF

4.Safari
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
Waldegard-Thorszelius Lancia Stratos HF
Preston jr.-Lyall Lancia Stratos HF

5. Acropolis
Lancia Alitalia:
Waldegard-Thorszelius Lancia Stratos HF
Pinto-Bernacchini Lancia Stratos HF
Pregliasco-Garzoglio Lancia Stratos HF

6. Maroc
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
(only works Lancia?)

7.1000 Lakes
no Lancias?

8. San Remo
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari- Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
Waldegard-Thorszelius Lancia Stratos HF
Pinto-Bernacchini Lancia Stratos HF
"Tony"-Mannini Lancia Stratos HF (works entry?)

9. Corse
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
Team Chardonnet(?):
Darniche-Mahe Lancia Stratos HF

Serpaggi-Subrini Lancia Stratos HF(entrant?)

10. RAC
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF

jorge, (or anyone else who might know) is this complete/correct?
PS I'm only interested in works and most important privateer entries.
Thank you.

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1.Monte Carlo
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
Waldegard-Thorszelius Lancia Stratos HF
Pinto-Bernacchini Lancia Stratos HF

Team Chardonnet:
Darniche-Mahe Lancia Stratos HF

2.Swedish
Lancia Alitalia:
Waldegard-Thorszelius Lancia Stratos HF
Lampinen-Hertz Lancia Stratos HF
Walfridsson-Nilsson Lancia Stratos HF

3.Portugal
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
Pinto-Bernacchini Lancia Stratos HF

4.Safari
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
Waldegard-Thorszelius Lancia Stratos HF
Preston jr.-Lyall Lancia Stratos HF

5. Acropolis
Lancia Alitalia:
Waldegard-Thorszelius Lancia Stratos HF
Pinto-Bernacchini Lancia Stratos HF
Pregliasco-Garzoglio Lancia Stratos HF

6. Maroc
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
(only works Lancia?) Yes

7.1000 Lakes
no Lancias? yes

8. San Remo
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari- Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
Waldegard-Thorszelius Lancia Stratos HF
Pinto-Bernacchini Lancia Stratos HF
"Tony"-Mannini Lancia Stratos HF (works entry?) No, Jolly Club

9. Corse
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF

Team Chardonnet(?): Yes
Darniche-Mahe Lancia Stratos HF
Serpaggi-Subrini Lancia Stratos HF(entrant?) private

10. RAC
Lancia Alitalia:
Munari-Maiga Lancia Stratos HF
Walfridsson-Frazer Lancia Stratos HF (entrant : Chequered Flag)

Regards
jorge

Jorge, I cannot thank you enough!

Moving on to the next teams, here's what I have for 1976 campaigns of Opel and Ford;

OPEL:

1.Monte Carlo
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Berger Kadett GT/E
Kullang-Andersson Kadett GT/E
Mikkola-Billstam Kadett GT/E

2.Swedish:
Dealer Opel Team Sweden(?):
Kullang-Andersson Ascona
Dealer Opel Team Holland(?):
L. Carlsson-De Jong Kadett GT/E

Danielsson-Edqvist Kadett GT/E (Entrant?)

3.Portugal:
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Billstam Kadett GT/E
Kullang-Andersson Kadett GT/E

4.Safari:
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Billstam Kadett GT/E
Aaltonen-Pitz Kadett GT/E
Herrmann-Simonian Kadett GT/E (Nationality of Edgar Herrmann, German or Kenyan?)

5. Acropolis -no works entry

6. Maroc
Fall-Hadley Kadett GT/E Entrant?

7.1000 Lakes
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Kullang-Andersson Kadett GT/E only works entry?

8. San Remo:
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Pitz Kadett GT/E
Ballestrieri-Maiga Kadett GT/E (Opel Euro Handler Team?)
Nicolas-Laverne Kadett GT/E (Opel Euro Handler Team?)

9. Corse
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Berger Kadett GT/E
Nicolas-Laverne Kadett GT/E

10. RAC
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Berger Kadett GT/E
Kullang-Andersson Kadett GT/E
Aaltonen-Billstam Kadett GT/E
Smolej-De Jong KadettGT/E
Dealer Opel Team:
Fall-Broad Kadett GT/E
Danielsson-Sundberg Kadett GT/E (Bo or Ulf Sundberg as co-driver?)

FORD:
1.Monte:
Ford Motor Co. Ltd:
Clark-Porter Escort RS 1800
Makinen-Liddon Escort RS 1800

2.Maroc
Ford Motor Co. Ltd:
Clark-Porter Escort RS 1800
Makinen-Liddon Escort RS 1800

3.1000 Lakes
Ford Motor Co. Ltd:
Makinen-Liddon Escort RS 1800
Vatanen-Aho Escort RS 1800
Team Avon Tyres:
Airikkala-Virtanen Escort RS 1800

4. RAC
Ford Motor Co. Ltd:
Clark-Pegg Escort RS 1800
Makinen-Liddon Escort RS 1800
Allied Polymer Group: (can this be considered a works entry?)
Vatanen-Bryant Escort RS 1800
Privateer: (?)
Waldegard-Thorszelius Escort RS 1800 (Waldegard signed for Ford after San Remo, so how come he's only a privateer at RAC?)
Team Avon Tyres:
Airikkala-Greasley Escort RS 1800

Is all this correct?

Thank you!

Someone knows.....


16 maggio 1960
1° Rally Vltava
Start: Marianske Lazne
Finish: Karlovy Vary

km. 2700
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally


1. ???? Knoll - ???? Kruger (DKW Junior)
2. ???? Pavelka - ???? Micik (Tatra)
3. ???? Vermirovski - ???? Mican (Tatra)

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23 luglio 1961
2° Rally Vltava
Start: Marianske Lazne
Finish: Karlovy Vary

km. ????
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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?? /?? / 1962
3° Rally Vltava
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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?? /?? / 1963
Czechoslovakia

4° Rally Vltava
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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14 luglio 1964
5° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Praha

km. 2500
grand touring cars - touring cars
international rally

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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5 luglio 1965
6° Rally Vltava
Start: Liberec
Finish: Liberec

km. 2200
grand touring cars - touring cars
european rally championship
international rally

1. Rauno Aaltonen - Tony Ambrose (BMC Cooper S 1300)
2. René Trautmann - Claudine Bouchet (Lancia Flavia 1800 Coupé)
3. Giorgio Pianta - Luciano Lombardini (Lancia Flavia 1800 Coupé)


Thanks in advance

Giorgio

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Originally Posted by Giorgio

Someone knows.....


16 maggio 1960
1° Rally Vltava
Start: Marianske Lazne
Finish: Karlovy Vary

km. 2700
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally


1. ???? Knoll - ???? Kruger (DKW Junior)
2. ???? Pavelka - ???? Micik (Tatra)
3. ???? Vermirovski - ???? Mican (Tatra)

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23 luglio 1961
2° Rally Vltava
Start: Marianske Lazne
Finish: Karlovy Vary

km. ????
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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?? /?? / 1962
3° Rally Vltava
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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?? /?? / 1963
Czechoslovakia

4° Rally Vltava
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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14 luglio 1964
5° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Praha

km. 2500
grand touring cars - touring cars
international rally

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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5 luglio 1965
6° Rally Vltava
Start: Liberec
Finish: Liberec

km. 2200
grand touring cars - touring cars
european rally championship
international rally

1. Rauno Aaltonen - Tony Ambrose (BMC Cooper S 1300)
2. René Trautmann - Claudine Bouchet (Lancia Flavia 1800 Coupé)
3. Giorgio Pianta - Luciano Lombardini (Lancia Flavia 1800 Coupé)


Thanks in advance

Giorgio

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16 maggio 1960
It was Rallye CSR not Vltava
Start: Marianske Lazne
Finish: Karlovy Vary

km. 2700
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally
1. Rolf Knoll - G. Krüger (DKW Junior)
2. Jaroslav Pavelka - Ivan Micik (Tatra 603)
3. Adolf Vermirovski - L. Mican (Tatra 603)

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1° Rally Vltava
Start and finish: Praha
1. Zdenek Mraz / Vlastimil? Havel (Skoda Octavia Super)
2. Jaroslav Bobek / ?? (Skoda Octavia Super)
3. O. Pasch / ?? (Skoda Octavia Super)
start 88 crews, 2 special stages


1961
2° Rally Vltava
km. 311
1. M. Halada / V. Janatka (Fiat 600)
2. J. Janout - ???? ???? (Skoda Octavia Super)
3. Jiri Srnsky - ???? ???? (Skoda Octavia Super)
start 46/ finish 39
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?? /?? / 1962
3° Rally Vltava
Start: ????
Finish: Praha
km. 304
CS Rally Championship
1. Alois Mark - Z. Raska (Tatra 603)
2. Jaroslav Fac - Lubomir Rek (Tatra 603)
3. Vladimir Hubacek - P. Svejda (Skoda Octavia Super)
start 72/ finish 57

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?? /?? / 1963
Czechoslovakia

4° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Karlove Vary
km. 1480
CS Rally Championship

1. Zdenek Treybal - L. Sekac (Saab)
2. Egemova - Somr (Fiat Abarth)
3. Jaroslav Bobek - Leo Hnatevic (Skoda)
start 81/ finish 40
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14 luglio 1964
5° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Praha

km. 2480
grand touring cars - touring cars
international rally

1. Sobiesław Zasada - Kazimierz Osinski (Steyr Puch 650TR)
2. Zdenek Treybal - L. Sekac (Saab)
3. Alois Mark - Zdenek Cechmanek (Tatra 603)
start 81/ finish 14
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5 luglio 1965
6° Rally Vltava
Start: Liberec
Finish: Liberec

km. 2240
grand touring cars - touring cars
european rally championship
international rally

1. Rauno Aaltonen - Tony Ambrose (BMC Cooper S 1300)
2. René Trautmann - Claudine Bouchet (Lancia Flavia 1800 Coupé)
3. Giorgio Pianta - Luciano Lombardini (Lancia Flavia 1800 Coupé)
start 83/ finish 12

Regards
Janusz
source: a chechoslovak book not known title as I got just only a copy of pages refering to rallying

14 luglio 1964
5° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Praha

km. 2480
grand touring cars - touring cars
international rally

1. Sobiesław Zasada - Kazimierz Osinski (Steyr Puch 650TR)
2. Zdenek Treybal - L. Sekac (Saab)
3. Alois Mark - Zdenek Cechmanek (Tatra 603)
start 81/ finish 14
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Regards
Janusz

Hi Janusz ,
do you konw also the 4° to 10° of this rally ?
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Dario

RAC76 FORD:

Vatanen in works car - same car(LAR801P, although I think re-shelled for RAC76) and same sponsor as 75 RAC winning car for Makinen.

Arikkala/Team Avon Tyres was a David Sutton car (which should have won - see Penti's account of it on "Old Rally Drivers" thread in this section/forum).

Waldegard in works car (found for him at last minute - "Motorcraft", Ford accessory division as sponsor but I think official entrant had to remain someone else's original entry under regulation that allows change of car or crew but not both - Lancia were not about to let him use their original entry for him!).

RAC76 OPEL
(Rohrl retired with failed oil pump about 20 miles from where I am sitting at this moment!)

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Originally Posted by dario

14 luglio 1964
5° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Praha

km. 2480
grand touring cars - touring cars
international rally

1. Sobiesław Zasada - Kazimierz Osinski (Steyr Puch 650TR)
2. Zdenek Treybal - L. Sekac (Saab)
3. Alois Mark - Zdenek Cechmanek (Tatra 603)
start 81/ finish 14
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Regards
Janusz

Hi Janusz ,
do you konw also the 4° to 10° of this rally ?
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Dario

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Sorry, just only top 6:
4. Vladimir Hubacek / Somr - Skoda Octavia Super TS
5. Adolf Vermirovsky / Stanislav Hajdusek - Tatra 603
6. Jiri Srnsky / Vladimir Lokvenc - Skoda Octavia Super TS
Regards
Janusz

Very interesting that Waldegard-Lancia-Ford story.

Thank you FAL!

I've just checked the original provisional entry list for the 1976 RAC (I have it as I was a competitor) and No32, which Waldegard/Thorzelius actually ran at, was originally Nigel Rockey in an RS1800. (Rockey had a degree of support from Ford at times and Ford Comps at Boreham probably made it worth his while to give up his entry). Regulations at the time allowed change of car model or crew but not both (actual car didn't matter if it was same model). Waldegard was No.2 in a Stratos on the provisional entry list.
Nigel Rockey was recently reported as returning to Historic rallying in an Alpine A110 (he once had one "in period").

That's right ! Waldegard beat Munari in Sanremo by 4 seconds and ... he was put out of the team (sacked?) so he took the place of Rockey and he beat again Munari (3th and 4th respectively)

regards
jorge

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Originally Posted by januszsz

Sorry, just only top 6:
4. Vladimir Hubacek / Somr - Skoda Octavia Super TS
5. Adolf Vermirovsky / Stanislav Hajdusek - Tatra 603
6. Jiri Srnsky / Vladimir Lokvenc - Skoda Octavia Super TS
Regards
Janusz

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Thanks very much , Janusz
Best regards
Dario

Very thanks, Janusz !!

Regards
Giorgio

Grazie Dario !

Giorgio

Happy Birthday, Dario ! All the best !

regards
jorge

Buon compleanno, Dario!

All the best for your birthday, Dario.
Wish you
Janusz

Jorge , Tjeerd , Janusz ,
Thanks very much
Best regards
Dario

Does anyone know what were the entrants of top 3 Mitsubishi Lancers at 1976 Safari (Singh-Doig, Ulyate-Bates and Cowan-Syer)?
And how many competitive sections did that rally have?

Also, at Corsica, Mikkola-Todt, Makinen-Liddon and Lefebvre-de Alexandris started in Peugeot 104 ZS. What was the entrant for these cars?

Thank you in advance.

Kaps,

according to the french magazine "sport-auto" the corsican Peugeots were sent by the competitions department ("service course") of the works.


Carles.

Thanks Carles, so was Team Esso Peugeot the name of the entrant?

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Originally Posted by Kaps

Does anyone know what were the entrants of top 3 Mitsubishi Lancers at 1976 Safari (Singh-Doig, Ulyate-Bates and Cowan-Syer)?
And how many competitive sections did that rally have?

Also, at Corsica, Mikkola-Todt, Makinen-Liddon and Lefebvre-de Alexandris started in Peugeot 104 ZS. What was the entrant for these cars?

Thank you in advance.

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Simba Motors for the Mitsubishi and 'Automobiles Peugeot' (I think) for the Peugeot

Regards
jorge

Thanks jorge. Can you please help about post no. 162 in this thread?

Someone knows...


19 giugno 1969 - Rally de Genève
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

15 marzo 1979 - Criterium Jurassien
Jean Claude Bering - Y.???? Corti

17 marzo 1980 - Criterium Jurassien
Bernard Chenevière - K.???? Oberli

13 febbraio 1981 - Rally des Neiges
Jean Pierre Balmer - ???? ???? (Porsche 911 SC)
Christian Blanc - ???? ???? (Porsche 911 SC)

15 luglio 1988 - Rally Alpes Vaudoises
1. Christian Jaquillard - Christiane Jaquillard (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
2. Philippe Roux - Paul Corthay (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

27 ottobre 1988 - Rally du Valais
1. Philippe Roux - Paul Corthay (Lancia Delta Integrale)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

27 ottobre 1989 - Rally du Valais
1. Christian Jaquillard - Christiane Jaquillard (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

25 ottobre 1990 - Rally du Valais
1. Josef Haider - Christian Geistdorfer (Opel Kadett GSI 16v)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Kaps

Jorge, I cannot thank you enough!

Moving on to the next teams, here's what I have for 1976 campaigns of Opel and Ford;

6. Maroc
Fall-Hadley Kadett GT/E Entrant?

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Two half-works Opel Kadett GT/E Group 4:
- Claude Polizzi (entered by the Maroc Dealer)
- Tony Fall (Taurus Opel Team)

Carles.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Giorgio

Someone knows...


19 giugno 1969 - Rally de Genève
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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Giorgio,

The rally was cancelled follwing an accident occured in a Swiss hill-climb few days before, claiming the life of five spectators.

Carles.

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Originally Posted by Kaps

OPEL:

1.Monte Carlo
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Berger Kadett GT/E
Kullang-Andersson Kadett GT/E
Mikkola-Billstam Kadett GT/E

correct

2.Swedish:
Dealer Opel Team Sweden:
Kullang-Andersson Ascona yes
Dealer Opel Team Holland(?):No, Bob de Jong
L. Carlsson-De Jong Kadett GT/E

Danielsson-Edqvist Kadett GT/E (Dealer Opel Team Sweden)

In fact was GM :s AF-forening for both Kullang and Danielsson

3.Portugal:
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Billstam Kadett GT/E
Kullang-Andersson Kadett GT/E

correct

4.Safari:
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Billstam Kadett GT/E
Aaltonen-Pitz Kadett GT/E
Herrmann-Simonian Kadett GT/E (Nationality of Edgar Herrmann, German or Kenyan?)

correct. Hermann was born in Germany but I don't know if he had double nationality.

5. Acropolis -no works entry
although in the entry list they didn't start (Rohrl-Pitz and Pesmazouglou-?)

6. Maroc
Fall-Hadley Kadett GT/E Entrant? Taurus Engineering

7.1000 Lakes
Opel Euro Handler Team
Kullang-Andersson Kadett GT/E no, Dealer Opel Team Sweden

8. San Remo:
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Pitz Kadett GT/E
Ballestrieri-Maiga Kadett GT/E (Opel Euro Handler Team?) no, GM Italia
Nicolas-Laverne Kadett GT/E (Opel Euro Handler Team?) yes

9. Corse
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Berger Kadett GT/E
Nicolas-Laverne Kadett GT/E

correct

10. RAC
Opel Euro Handler Team:
Rohrl-Berger Kadett GT/E
Kullang-Andersson Kadett GT/E
Aaltonen-Billstam Kadett GT/E
Smolej-De Jong KadettGT/E

correct

Dealer Opel Team:
Fall-Broad Kadett GT/E
Danielsson-Sundberg Kadett GT/E Ulf Sundberg as co-driver

FORD:
1.Monte:
Ford Motor Co. Ltd:
Clark-Porter Escort RS 1800
Makinen-Liddon Escort RS 1800

2.Maroc
Ford Motor Co. Ltd:
Clark-Porter Escort RS 1800
Makinen-Liddon Escort RS 1800

3.1000 Lakes
Ford Motor Co. Ltd:
Makinen-Liddon Escort RS 1800
Vatanen-Aho Escort RS 1800
Team Avon Tyres:
Airikkala-Virtanen Escort RS 1800

4. RAC
Ford Motor Co. Ltd:
Clark-Pegg Escort RS 1800
Makinen-Liddon Escort RS 1800
Allied Polymer Group: (can this be considered a works entry?)
Vatanen-Bryant Escort RS 1800 (run by Allied Polymer group but as Keith Said he could be considerer like a works car)

Privateer: (yes) entrant - Nigel Rockey
Waldegard-Thorszelius Escort RS 1800 (Waldegard signed for Ford after San Remo, so how come he's only a privateer at RAC?)
Team Avon Tyres:
Airikkala-Greasley Escort RS 1800

Thank you!

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Regards
jorge

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Giorgio

Someone knows...


27 ottobre 1988 - Rally du Valais
1. Philippe Roux - Paul Corthay (Lancia Delta Integrale)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

27 ottobre 1989 - Rally du Valais
1. Christian Jaquillard - Christiane Jaquillard (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

25 ottobre 1990 - Rally du Valais
1. Josef Haider - Christian Geistdorfer (Opel Kadett GSI 16v)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

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27-29 ottobre 1988 - Rally du Valais
1. Philippe Roux - Paul Corthay (Lancia Delta Integrale)
2. Eric Ferreux - Audemars (Renault 21 Turbo gr.N)
3. Fabio Arletti - Leonardo Julli (Lancia Delta HF 4WD)

27-28 ottobre 1989 - Rally du Valais
1. Christian Jaquillard - Christiane Jaquillard (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
2. Philippe Roux - Paul Corthay (Lancia Delta Integrale)
3. Josef Haider - Ferdinand Hinterleitner (Opel Kadett GSI 16v)

25-28 ottobre 1990 - Rally du Valais
1. Josef Haider - Christian Geistdörfer (Opel Kadett GSI 16v)
2. Philippe Roux - Paul Corthay (Lancia Delta Integrale)
3. Andrea Aghini - Sauro Fanocchia (Peugeot 405 Mi16)

Regards
Janusz

Serge Audemars

Regards
jorge

Very thanks Janusz and Jorge !

Giorgio

Thanks Carles !

Giorgio

And thanks jorge & Carles!

And now I only have Alpine-Renault & Datsun left for 1976.

At Monte, entrant: Alpine-Renault for:
Nicolas-Laverne
Andruet-Jouanny
Therier-Vial

At Corsica, entrant Alpine-Renault for
Andruet-"Biche"

At Monte, Portugal, Acropolis, Corsica & RAC, entrant: Equipe Gitanes for
Ragnotti-Andrie (Monte)
Ragnotti-Jaubert (the rest)

Can this "Equipe Gitanes" be considered part of works team or not?

And finally Datsun:
Safari
Entrant: D.T. Dobie?
Kallstrom-Lindqvist
Mehta-Doughty
Remtulla-Jivani

Acropolis:
Entrant:?
Kallstrom-Andersson
Mehta-Liddon

Finland:
Entrant: Aro Yhtyma Oy Autokeskus
Salonen-Markkula (Part of works team or privateer?)

RAC:
Entrant:Team Sanyo (works?)
Kallstrom-Phillips
Dawson-Marriott

Thank you

ERC 1963 & 1964
Browsing in materials concerning ERC'63 & '64 I have to ask some questions:
1. Coupe des Alpes'63 - most sources point Rolland/Augias as the winners of the rally, but all British sources (except of John Davenport's Guinness Book of Rallying) I browsed give Aaltonen/Ambrose in the 1st position. Who is right? And who knows more about those controversies?
2. Coupe des Alpes'63 - does anybody know overall positions 7th-10th?
3. ERC'63 - Reinhard Klein ("Rally") gives Sardinian Rally as a round of Championship. Is it right?
4. ERC'64 - Somewhere I found a Portugese A.C.P. Rally as a round of ERC'64. It was won by Andrea de Adamich/Aldo Morgantini (Alfa Romeo Giulia). Does anybody know other finishers? Reinhard Klein did not mention about that round, but to be honest statistics in that book ("Rally") are not the best ones.
Regards
Janusz

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Originally Posted by januszsz

ERC 1963 & 1964
Browsing in materials concerning ERC'63 & '64 I have to ask some questions:
1. Coupe des Alpes'63 - most sources point Rolland/Augias as the winners of the rally, but all British sources (except of John Davenport's Guinness Book of Rallying) I browsed give Aaltonen/Ambrose in the 1st position. Who is right? And who knows more about those controversies?
2. Coupe des Alpes'63 - does anybody know overall positions 7th-10th?
3. ERC'63 - Reinhard Klein ("Rally") gives Sardinian Rally as a round of Championship. Is it right?
4. ERC'64 - Somewhere I found a Portugese A.C.P. Rally as a round of ERC'64. It was won by Andrea de Adamich/Aldo Morgantini (Alfa Romeo Giulia). Does anybody know other finishers? Reinhard Klein did not mention about that round, but to be honest statistics in that book ("Rally") are not the best ones.
Regards
Janusz

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1) Usually they made separate classifications by groups, not a general one, so it's possible that Jean Rolland has won one group and Aaltonen the other.

2) ECR 63 - Coupe des Alpes
7th - 'Tiny' Lewis-David Pollard GB/GB Sunbeam Rapier
8th - John Wadsworth-Alan Cooke GB/GB BMC Cooper S
9th - George Nicolas-??? Lauguil F/F Renault 1093
10th - Guy Verrier-Jacques Jourdain F/F Citroen DS 19

3) I think we've discussed it here at it seems that Sardinia Rally has made part of the championship

4) Yes, a round of the ERC
1-Andrea de Adamich-Aldo Morgantini I/I Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti Super
2-Arnaldo Cavallari-Ferdinando Tecilla I/I Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti Super
3-Dieter Glemser-Martin Braungart D/D Mercedes Benz 300 SE
4-Eugen Bohringer-Klaus Kaiser D/D Mercedes Benz 300 SE
5-Jorge Pessanha-???? Mascalero P/P Porsche Carrera SC
6-Alfredo César Torres-Paiva Raposo P/P Austin Cooper S
7-Rui Martins Silva-??? Carvalho P/P Alfa Romeo Zagato
8-Manuel Gião-???? Fernandes P/P Austin Cooper S
9-Augusto Palma-Fernando Pinto Basto P/P Morris Cooper S
10-José Lickfold Silva-???? Faria Morris Cooper S

Although I have made some research about this rally all the reports I know don't bring the co-drivers names. So, these ones, are taken from sources published here in the forum.

Regards
jorge

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1) Usually they made separate classifications by groups, not a general one, so it's possible that Jean Rolland has won one group and Aaltonen the other.
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Regards
jorge

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Thank you Jorge for precious answers!
About those separate classifications in Coupe des Alpes you are right they both won their own categories but those British sources differ o/a (overall), category and class classifications. They (books) wrote Aaaltonen 1st o/a and The Motor magazine published overall classification where the winner is Aaltonen and second is Rolland. It looks like UK against France "war".
Warm regards
Janusz

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3) I think we've discussed it here at it seems that Sardinia Rally has made part of the championship
Regards
jorge

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I remember the fact of dicussion on that subject, but it was in "old forum" era. I have no idea how to get into the old forum! Many thanks in advance for wise advice.
Regards
Janusz

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Thank you Jorge for precious answers!
About those separate classifications in Coupe des Alpes you are right they both won their own categories but those British sources differ o/a (overall), category and class classifications. They (books) wrote Aaaltonen 1st o/a and The Motor magazine published overall classification where the winner is Aaltonen and second is Rolland. It looks like UK against France "war".
Warm regards
Janusz

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There would have been no official "first overall". As Jorge has said, winners were declared for Touring and GT categories separately (and the most prestigious award/target was a "Coupe" for being clean of road penalties 3 years running). BMC sources refer to Aaltonen "winning" in 63 as if he was 1st O/A. Only comparison of actual times between winners of Touring and GT categories will show who was unofficial "overall winner". Under current law, if BMC advertised Aaltonen as outright winner it would be an offence - but no one would have taken notice then!
It would be further complicated because under the Appendix J that applied to the end of 1965, saloon cars modified beyond the then Group 2 would be classed as Group 3 GT cars. Under the 1966 onwards Appendix J that would not apply and Gp 2 saloons would have to stay "Touring Cars".
Then it appears to get even more complicated because by 1967 the Coupe des Alpes was allowing Group 6 prototypes (Hopkirk "won" in a lightweight Gp 6 Cooper S in 67).
In his new book, Vic Elford mentions that going into the final section in 1966 he had lower penalties (in a Touring car - a Group 2 Lotus Cortina) than the GT leader when his engine went. (It was then he decided to leave Ford at the end of the year). Jean Roland is usually recognised as the 66 winner but I'm not sure whether his Alfa GTA (a car newly homologated for 1966 with lightweight panels etc for the European Touring Car [racing] Championship, replacing the GTV) was in Gp 2 Touring category.
Isn't history complicated?!

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There would have been no official "first overall". As Jorge has said, winners were declared for Touring and GT categories separately (and the most prestigious award/target was a "Coupe" for being clean of road penalties 3 years running). BMC sources refer to Aaltonen "winning" in 63 as if he was 1st O/A. Only comparison of actual times between winners of Touring and GT categories will show who was unofficial "overall winner". Under current law, if BMC advertised Aaltonen as outright winner it would be an offence - but no one would have taken notice then!
It would be further complicated because under the Appendix J that applied to the end of 1965, saloon cars modified beyond the then Group 2 would be classed as Group 3 GT cars. Under the 1966 onwards Appendix J that would not apply and Gp 2 saloons would have to stay "Touring Cars".
Then it appears to get even more complicated because by 1967 the Coupe des Alpes was allowing Group 6 prototypes (Hopkirk "won" in a lightweight Gp 6 Cooper S in 67).
In his new book, Vic Elford mentions that going into the final section in 1966 he had lower penalties (in a Touring car - a Group 2 Lotus Cortina) than the GT leader when his engine went. (It was then he decided to leave Ford at the end of the year). Jean Roland is usually recognised as the 66 winner but I'm not sure whether his Alfa GTA (a car newly homologated for 1966 with lightweight panels etc for the European Touring Car [racing] Championship, replacing the GTV) was in Gp 2 Touring category.
Isn't history complicated?!

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You are right FAL pointing that Coupe des Alpes was a specific event. The goal was to win the Cup. There were two categories and two classifiacations. And it belongs to Coupe des Alpes tradition. But as a round of ERC the rally should point the overall winner. And in fact you can easily find Alpine Rally overall results in newspapers from that period. I don't know how the ERC scoring system looked in 1963, but later in 1966 it was a combination of overall and class points added together. If it (soring system) was alike in 1963 overall classifaction was necessary to calculate properly who is the European Champion.
Regards
Janusz

Please, does anyone know the name(s) of the entrant(s) for the Datsun team at 1976 Safari and Acropolis?

Thanks.

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Please, does anyone know the name(s) of the entrant(s) for the Datsun team at 1976 Safari and Acropolis?

Thanks.

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As allways D.T.Dobie & Co. for the Safari and N.J.Theoharakis S.A. for Acropolis !

Regards
jorge