Saw it, but that just confirmed to me that there are no team orders anymore at Ferrari. I did feel that Massa left just enough room for Kimi with inches to spare. Good racing!Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
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Saw it, but that just confirmed to me that there are no team orders anymore at Ferrari. I did feel that Massa left just enough room for Kimi with inches to spare. Good racing!Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
And Lewis Hamilton has had his race severely compromised by Mark Webber and the wheel gun failure....
And Lewis Hamilton has had his race severely compromised by Mark Webber and the wheel gun failure....
And Lewis Hamilton has had his race severely compromised by Mark Webber and the wheel gun failure....
And Lewis Hamilton has had his race severely compromised by Mark Webber and the wheel gun failure....
And Lewis Hamilton has had his race severely compromised by Mark Webber and the wheel gun failure....
Someone needs to slap Allen. He mentioned that at least 8 times.
Also, great in and out laps for Kimi. Definitely made up for his lacklustre Oz Gp.
that ruined the coverage for mine...... if Golden Balls Hamilton is as "hall of fame" as those twats make out, why on earth was he stuck behind Webber for 32 LAPS?????Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Clowns they are. The Macca was a Dog all weekend, and the race confirmed it. Deal with it Allen, Blundell etc..
I only just noticed this thread after starting a new thread on the question I have in regard to the gain Hamilton made over Webber during the pit stops? I cant figure out if it had somthing to do with the TV coverage I was watching or Iam missing something else... can someone please expalin this to me.
Heres what I wrote on the other thread I started-
Is it me? TEN's coverage???
Can someone please explain to me what happened during the pit stops??? Stuffed if I can figure it out. @ the first stop Webber's in front of Hamilton by approx 1 sec. Webber does his stop in around 8 sec. Then Hamilton comes in stuffs up his stop which was approx 18-19 sec. and then comes out just behind Webber again Huh??????????
Second stop Webber still in front by approx 1 sec. does approx 8 sec stop again.... then Hamilton pits does a stop approx 8 sec. then Hamilton rejoins the length of the straight in front of Webber????????
I understand all to well how a fast in and out laps can gain a second or three, also the traffic factor and all yes, but stuffed if I can see how Hamilton made such dramatic gains.....did Webber have an off? that I missed?? Maybe the race was editied by TEN anyone got any suggestions :rolleyes:
Also what was that crap the commentator were going on about that Webber was holding Hamilton up??? Hamilton did not even get a wheel in front "once" while on the track chasing... Guess it proves one thing though just how fast Webber potentially can be. Bring on the first wet race :s mokin:
The McLaren is a racewinning car while the Red Bull is not. The McLaren really is that much faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by JETFX...
Cars lose aerodynamic grip through corners when trailing other cars.
Trulli's 4th place is the main news for me of course. Hopefully he'll score more points during this season. :p : Glock has been one of the unluckiest drivers so far this year and it's still hard to rate him.
BMW's race pace was very good. Not as good as Ferrari's of course, but a lot more competitive than in Australia, where they couldn't match their quali's performance. We can't rule out that we might see even a 3-way battle for the title among teams like 2003! :eek: :up:
McLaren was a disappointment, they were struggling even against Toyota. If Trulli had stayed 3rd-4th after the first corners, he would have given Kovalainen a good race for the last podium spot (but instead of that was held up during the first two stints). On the contrary Red Bull looked quite decent despite all the problems they have had so far this season. Fifth best package at Sepang.
Williams has complained that the new track surface didn't suit them. Actually don't quite understand, how can that make their performance so much weaker than in Australia. Maybe Sakhir shows, what's their true level at the moment, hard to guess at the moment. Nakajima drove a good part of the race ahead of Rosberg, but in the end was a full lap behind. Didn't get a reason for this during the race, but later investigation shows that he had a puncture and a spin.
No-one gives notice, but a good drive by Fisichella too - he finished ahead of Barrichello's Honda for example.
Kimi said in a Finnish interview that it was close but fair. Massa gave him enough room and he decided not to risk it to the first corner. Good racing, Id say too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Yes no doubt... Just in this case and during this race it did not look to be the case. The straight line speed was not that much better nor the cornering speed of Hamiltons car..... Oh well I guess it will make for interesting comparisons during the next few races if mechanical issues are out of the equasion with the Red Bull. The RB cars are much quicker than they were last year so I cannot agree that its going to be a 'given' necessarily that the McLaren is going to be vastly superior to the RB forever :s mokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Hamilton faces battle to be McLaren No1 as Kovalainen looks to build of Sepang podium finish
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1954
Are we headed for another blinking "tiff"
Could get bloody ugly old chap!
There is also to say that ALONSO with a much slower car than Macca was able to pass Coulthard who drives the same car as Webber. So, I don't know how much we can blame aerodinamics working against LH here.Quote:
Originally Posted by JETFX...
But I have a feeling that if both McLarens were on the second row, one or both would have gotten by while Massa was playing MS with his teammate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
Yep, real clear thereQuote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
Better LH's race than his virginity.......Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
I think it is rather easy to make history with ifs and buts. My view instead is that IF the 2 McLarens would have right been behind the 2 Ferraris ALMOST CERTAINLY their strategy (including their start) would have totally been sifferent.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
Hamilton's race wasn't ruined by Mark Webber. It was ruined by his own stupidity on Saturday by driving on the racing line at slow speed. The rest of his "misfortunes" were merely symptoms of this.
Hamilton spent 32 laps behind the Red Bull and never looked like passing. That says a lot for the Red Bull's speed or the McLaren's lack of speed or the nature of the Sepang circuit. Probably a bit of all three.
The thing that surprises me is that despite the obvious superiority of the Ferrari they didn't top the fastest lap chart.
http://www.formula1.com/results/seas...test_laps.html
The Ferrari's were only 2nd and 5th and even Button managed to do a lap 2 tenths faster than Massa. The pace was obviously there but they didn't do it by setting hugely fast laps.
Why would Kimi want to throw in a fast lap when he has a comfortable lead and has to save his engine for the next race?
Prior to the Malaysian Grand Prix, race organizers at Sepang said that they were considering a night race, but it was still only an option at this stage.
However, it now appears as if FOM chief, Bernie Ecclestone may have convinced them to go ahead with a night time event next year in an effort to boost television audiences.
The organizers here in Malaysia know it is necessary, both to attract television audiences in Europe and the public here. It will be very good for the people in Malaysia and anyone coming to visit the race as it will be very exciting,” he said.
According to Ecclestone, organizers have agreed to stage the race at 7 pm in 2009.
http://f1.automoto365.com/news/contr...&news_id=30423
Considering how easy it was for the Ferraris to pull away from the field I find it surprising that others were able to turn as fast or faster lap times. Obviously Raikkonen wasn't pushed after Massa chucked it at the scenery so he backed off but the Ferrari must have been able to lap consistently quick to pull away from the rest without having to blitz the lap times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firstgear
Take Australia last year. Kimi won at a canter and set a lap time 1 second faster than anybody else. That didn't happen in Malaysia this year yet the victory was just as easy.
The only explanation can be that Ferrari established their distance when everyone was running on substantial fuel loads, and or held up in traffic. Those fastest lap times don't mean much unless your at the sharp end, and can string several of them together or run them consistently with out any time-consuming mistakes! It is rather strange that Kimi's lap time right before his first pit stop wasn't among the fastest! Does anyone know how that time compares to the fastest laps of the race? KImi's Ferrari has another race to run. It's no accident that the fastest lap of the race was set by Nick on the second to last lap he needed to put on that engine.
Actually Ferrari decided to lower the RPMs in Kimis engine and saving it for Bahrain. After what happened in Australia there was no need to look for more trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Kimi and Massa were the only guys doing high 1:35's before the the first pit stops, others were doing 1:36.6's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Kimi's lap times before his pit stop were fastest of the bunch at that time, which cost Massa the lead as he wasn't able to pull away before his stop.
Kimi's lap times
13 1:36.195
14 1:35.871
15 1:35.988
16 1:35.966
17 1:35.679
18 P 1:38.555
Massa's times
13 1:36.235
14 1:35.960
15 1:35.914
16 1:35.988
17 P 1:38.918
18 2:02.668
After the pitstops, Kimi ran 1:36.6's while Massa ran at 2-8 tenths slower until he spun off.
After that Kimi slowed down to until he ran couple of fast laps before his second pit stop
The last part he ran about the same pace as Kubica.
I've watched the Speed and ITV versions of the race and there is no explanation as to why Bourdais went off. There were no replays on either version of the race (probably due to the same feed.)
Was another car involved or did he just lose it or suffer mechanical failure? After OZ, I was looking forward to see how he would do this year.
That one. He said as much to Goodman when she interviewed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
Here is the explanation in Bourdais' words:Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
Sebastien Bourdais
(STR2B-03)
Retired
“I made a good start, but then I found myself stuck between two gears. Then I got as far as Turn 4 where I was being passed on the right and then in Turn 5 I found myself on the inside with someone alongside me and by Turn 6 I was back on the outside and when I tried to turn to the right, I ended up on the dirty side and the car snapped away from me and I spun into the gravel. And so my race was over.”
The old stuck between gears excuse! ;)
Here is the explanation in Bourdais' words:Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
Sebastien Bourdais
(STR2B-03)
Retired
“I made a good start, but then I found myself stuck between two gears.
Then I got as far as Turn 4 where I was being passed on the right and then in Turn 5
I found myself on the inside with someone alongside me and by Turn 6 I was back on the outside
and when I tried to turn to the right, I ended up on the dirty side and the car snapped away from me
and I spun into the gravel. And so my race was over.”
The old stuck between gears excuse! ;)
Thanks. At least the mystery is solved. Let's hope Bahrain is better to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio