Here's the door

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Well if this continues I'm sure lots of valued members will simply **** off and leave the forum for somewhere slightly cheerier and more down to earth. Then here you'll be left with a higher percentage of whinging threads. The reason why I came to this forum in the first place was because there was real content and not for people being nostalgic and criticising what we have now. The value of this forum lies in the members it has and if you alienate the members who give the forum substance then the consequences don't bear thinking about..........

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You say ' The reason why I came to this forum in the first place was because there was real content and not for people being nostalgic and criticising what we have now' Do you feel the forums membership has changed dramatically? Or is it perhaps that the WRC has just had one of its least interesting(still not boring tho IMO)years ever? Too much criticising is dull, but a certain amount is to be expected right now, to cheer from the roof tops about WRC and to say as had been said on here 'anyway, the wrc does urinate on other international motorsports' points to a total ignorance of other motorsports

I dont feel I belong to the 'back in day' crew, but I dont feel I want to be like the band on the titanic either...

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Originally Posted by cut the b.s.

You say ' The reason why I came to this forum in the first place was because there was real content and not for people being nostalgic and criticising what we have now' Do you feel the forums membership has changed dramatically? Or is it perhaps that the WRC has just had one of its least interesting(still not boring tho IMO)years ever? Too much criticising is dull, but a certain amount is to be expected right now, to cheer from the roof tops about WRC and to say as had been said on here 'anyway, the wrc does urinate on other international motorsports' points to a total ignorance of other motorsports

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If people on this forum are complaining and whining, then there must be something to whine about. It's not like the people here have changed that dramatically, as others have said, so there must be a legitimate reason to complain. Some people will always be looking to the past for models of the future, but I think a lot of the criticisms I've read here are well-founded and insightful. For a lot of the people who read the boards more than post (like me) and for a lot of the people who are new to the sport (like me), the complaints let me know the state of the sport--something that I don't have a lot of access to outside of the internet. I'm always more interested in the controversial posts more than the congratulatory ones anyway.

That said, I'm guessing there's a lot of b**ching going on these days because we have a new season ahead of us and some of us are annoyed at how things are shaping up.

Interesting thread Daniel.

Be wary the words "pot" "kettle" "black" don't come back to haunt you.

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Originally Posted by cut the b.s.

You say ' The reason why I came to this forum in the first place was because there was real content and not for people being nostalgic and criticising what we have now' Do you feel the forums membership has changed dramatically? Or is it perhaps that the WRC has just had one of its least interesting(still not boring tho IMO)years ever? Too much criticising is dull, but a certain amount is to be expected right now, to cheer from the roof tops about WRC and to say as had been said on here 'anyway, the wrc does urinate on other international motorsports' points to a total ignorance of other motorsports

I dont feel I belong to the 'back in day' crew, but I dont feel I want to be like the band on the titanic either...

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Band on the titanic. Cute :) There's a difference between being a fan of a series and playing a musical instrument on a ship and dying. If I come out and support the WRC and it goes down then I hardly lose anything do I?

Show me another form of international motorsport that is better than the WRC and I won't make that claim again. The WTCC in my mind is the only other form of motorsport that comes close to the WRC and they use success ballast. Call me crazy but I find the idea of ballasting someone because they're good to be rubbish. Imagine ballasting an athlete who's doing the 100m sprint just because they've trained harder than all the others. Rather removes the drive for people to actually become competitive now doesn't it?

Seriously though name one form of international motorsport that is better than the WRC and you better not say F1 because F1 is about 20 years ahead of the WRC when it comes to being boring.

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Interesting thread Daniel.

Be wary the words "pot" "kettle" "black" don't come back to haunt you.

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Yes. I will be careful when having a whinge in future believe me ;) I'll have to make sure this thread is deleted or else I can't constantly whinge about anything ;)

I don't think the forum is chasing members away, it probably is the WRC as it is now. For me personally when I joined this forum about 5 years ago, it was great. To talk about my favourite sport with people all over the world. But in recent years, and especially this year, my favourite sport has gotten boring. I agree the whining and moaning, especially the driverbashing, has all gotten a bit yesterdays. But I think it's good that people speak their mind about what's wrong with the WRC.
In the past I've had my share to say on the whole current concept of WRC and how it sucks IMO. And it's not criticising the drivers, the teams, or all the other people who work in it. It's about legislators (FIA) and missing of commitment of manufacturers and investors to come up with longterm plan that's commercially viable but also in the true spirit of what rally was and should be: an unique adventure. And in my opinion todays WRC is proof that the legislation and commercialisation in the last five years has failed miserably.
But now I'm moaning again. But anyways, I still feel strongly about this, but I don't post it here anymore. It's like you say Daniel, it doesn't do any good. So for now I watch DVDs and read books about the old days, watch national rallies and the occasional WRC broadcast when I can. And hope that WRC can somehow turn itself around, not like in the old days, I'm realist enough to not see that happen, but maybe a little step in that direction wouldn't harm anyone. (Oops still moaning, I'll stop now)

Here's an idea: why don't we (well, the Mods) make a new sub-forum to Rallying called the "Death of the WRC" forum?

In this forum, we could discuss whatever is wrong with the WRC, who is to blame, how great the WRC used to be, how it could still be saved, etc. This would leave the actual WRC forum free of much of the negativity and frustration that understandably hovers around the WRC at the moment.

People who don't want to see all the negative stuff can simply stay away from the DotWRC forum, whereas people who want to complain a bit can do so in a suitable environment and then hop over to the WRC forum happy as a dog in heat that's just been satisfied. "I say, the duel between Grönholm and Loeb is very exciting indeed," they might then say. ;)

It's better anyway, this solution, than to tell a great many posters here to simply **** off.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Band on the titanic. Cute :) There's a difference between being a fan of a series and playing a musical instrument on a ship and dying. If I come out and support the WRC and it goes down then I hardly lose anything do I?

Show me another form of international motorsport that is better than the WRC and I won't make that claim again. The WTCC in my mind is the only other form of motorsport that comes close to the WRC and they use success ballast. Call me crazy but I find the idea of ballasting someone because they're good to be rubbish. Imagine ballasting an athlete who's doing the 100m sprint just because they've trained harder than all the others. Rather removes the drive for people to actually become competitive now doesn't it?

Seriously though name one form of international motorsport that is better than the WRC and you better not say F1 because F1 is about 20 years ahead of the WRC when it comes to being boring.

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Define better for me please, I'm a rally fan but F1 looks to be a heck of a lot healthier on the financial side to me, Toyota seem to agree, they must think it to be better to be an also ran in F1 than the daddy in rally!! Motogp seems to be in good shape also, Daddys not going to buy anyone a ride there.

I would rather watch WRC, poor tho it is than any other motorsport, doesnt mean rallying is healthy though

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Originally Posted by Daniel

If it ever gets to the point where I not longer want to watch the WRC again I will make one thread about it and then be gone

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You can also leave the forum without saying anything, we'll survive (at least me, I promise) ! :D

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Originally Posted by cut the b.s.

Define better for me please, I'm a rally fan but F1 looks to be a heck of a lot healthier on the financial side to me, Toyota seem to agree, they must think it to be better to be an also ran in F1 than the daddy in rally!! Motogp seems to be in good shape also, Daddys not going to buy anyone a ride there.

I would rather watch WRC, poor tho it is than any other motorsport, doesnt mean rallying is healthy though

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Did I say the series was healthy? No I did not :)

Who cares if F1 makes 10 billion million squillion dollars a year. It's still rubbish and I don't care. Toyota is the only profitable car manufacturer in the world. I still won't buy one of their bland pieces of rubbish. As a spectator I could care less (to an extent) whether a series is profitable or not. Of course i understand a series can't lose money forever but it's a lesser concern for me :)