Alonso and Massa

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Originally Posted by ioan

He wouldn't be a competitive F1 driver otherwise.

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It is good coming from you and you acknowledge this.

He didn't attack him; whatch it carefully (I'm sure you can understand most of they say). First Alonso's words are quiet and calm.

Then Massa start moaning with "Va cagare", "coglioni", and so on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNwHi_rWYZg

That's race guys, you cannot debate anything about that ! its better when there are fights like that !

I thought if anything it was Alonso who banged wheels with Massa and not the other way round, but given I was halfway between the edge of my seat and jumping off it when it happened, I may have been wrong in the heat of the moment

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Originally Posted by Mark

Of course? Massa is Brazilian isn't he? They would talk a completely different native language to each other, if they had one common language my first guess would be English, but Pino has said it was Italian.

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I think Massa's parents are Italian which would explain that even though his first language is Portuguese, not sure where Alonso knows the language from though, maybe he's just a good linguist :P

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Originally Posted by V12

....., not sure where Alonso knows the language from though, maybe he's just a good linguist :P

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I thaught he drove in the past for an Italian team? Where he learned the language.

i only saw hard racing , i didnt see alonso drive dangerously and i didnt see massa drive dangerously either. what i saw was a fantastically fought battle between 2 real racers. yes there was contact but if you know anything about car dynamics you will see that yes it was massas car that hit alonso but it was because he could not help it, the car understeered into the mclaren and massa was trying to hold the car back from this, you can see as the ferrari regained its front end grip that massa pulled to the left to avoid further contact.
that was fine clean racing, nothing wrong with any of it. as for the argument, that was pure adrenalin and 2 men high on emotion, 1 for winning and 1 for losing in the last few laps.

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Originally Posted by GRAVETT

i only saw hard racing , i didnt see alonso drive dangerously and i didnt see massa drive dangerously either. what i saw was a fantastically fought battle between 2 real racers. yes there was contact but if you know anything about car dynamics you will see that yes it was massas car that hit alonso but it was because he could not help it, the car understeered into the mclaren and massa was trying to hold the car back from this, you can see as the ferrari regained its front end grip that massa pulled to the left to avoid further contact.
that was fine clean racing, nothing wrong with any of it. as for the argument, that was pure adrenalin and 2 men high on emotion, 1 for winning and 1 for losing in the last few laps.

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thats pretty much how I saw it. I think that Massa could have held it a bit tighter but probably he wanted FA to know he'll not be a pushover and watch it sunshine.

exactly !! it was just hard racing. it seems alot of people have to over analyse things

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Originally Posted by GRAVETT

i only saw hard racing , i didnt see alonso drive dangerously and i didnt see massa drive dangerously either. what i saw was a fantastically fought battle between 2 real racers. yes there was contact but if you know anything about car dynamics you will see that yes it was massas car that hit alonso but it was because he could not help it, the car understeered into the mclaren and massa was trying to hold the car back from this, you can see as the ferrari regained its front end grip that massa pulled to the left to avoid further contact.
that was fine clean racing, nothing wrong with any of it. as for the argument, that was pure adrenalin and 2 men high on emotion, 1 for winning and 1 for losing in the last few laps.

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Originally Posted by GRAVETT

exactly !! it was just hard racing. it seems alot of people have to over analyse things

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incidentally, I have a slightly different take on the Ralf / Hiedfeld issue.

my recollection is that Ralf knew that Nick was behind him and made a slight mistake exiting one of the corners.

Nick was on it quick and dove up the inside for the next corner. he wasn't just putting his nose in but was interlocking wheels when Ralf turned in.

I think Nick had every right to stuff it up the inside and if anything, Ralf should have known he was likely to try it and been prepared to make room. yet, some people here have claimed this is Nicks fault where I just cannot see it? I would say 60/40 against Ralf but a raing incident anyway.

what do you think?