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Indeed. Speed and outright performance aren't everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
As I've said before, my solution is for a return to basic Group A rules, circa 1987. Then, two-wheel-drive and four-wheel-drive cars were able to compete with each other, there was real variety, and a lot of manufacturers, some more competitive than others.
they spoke in tv the other day that current EVO 9 is faster than the Mitsu Tommi did take his first championship with.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
so we will have Evos and Subs, what else? Sure this would just be the PWRC with a bit more power and noise, not a solution. In 87 the 2wds got results where the Lancias broke or stayed away, even Ragnotti wasnt enough to be able to really trade times with the deltas
It's not a perfect idea, I grant you, but there has to be a way in to the WRC for manufacturers who don't want to spend a lot on developing cars, and the cars have to look interesting again on the stages rather than looking as though they're running on rails.
Group N/PWRC cars are boring, I agree, but to me there has been little more interesting in rallying than underpowered but light front-wheel-drive cars attempting to keep up with four-wheel-drive competitors. The nature of the events has something to do with this, of course.
On reading all the posts in this thread I think the passage of time has diminished some people's memories. 1987 was an awfull year. The world rally car concept was a great thing. It enabled FORD / PEUGEOT / SEAT / TOYOTA/ CITROEN / SKODA to build cars without 4wd production runs. Next time you are in a traffic queue when going to work check out how many 4wd road cars are sharing the queue with you? Cars need to be cheap, how about 2.5l normally aspirated 4 wd or a 2.ol 2 wheel drive "silhoutte" concept?
agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
And how sustainable has the WRC format proved to be? Not very, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
There were some great events in the early years of Group A, not just 1987. And Group A allowed some of the same cars to be used for racing and rallying, such as the Sierra Cosworth and BMW M3, which was extremely affordable.
The first few years of the WRCar formula was interesting, Impreza WRC97, Escort WRC, Corolla WRC, Cordoba WRC, 206 WRC,etc plus the 2WD entries from Peugeot 306 Maxi, Renault Maxi Megane, Seat Ibiza Evo, Citroen Xsara Kit Car, some interesting battles and not forgetting the Group A Lancer Evo iv. But after a while the technology increased with computers controlling everything, expensive and boring to watch. Personally speaking, if WRC ars could be made even cheaper and more manufacturers built them then fine, but I can't see it happening, I want something more than Group N though. Though I'n starting to think that maybe Production based, with modifications for suspension, gearbox. Really I'm cutching at straws, the WRC is on it's last legs in it's current guise, something needs to be done.
S2000 v WRC v S2500 v Group N+ ???
spot on, if regs could restrict technology to the late 90s levels, there is a lot of good in WRC regs, just the bosses are turning blind eye to the flaws rather than trying to get things sorted outQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Well, it seem that we can't see the forest out of the trees.