Arizona shooting range accident

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Well there's a thing...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...rimes-plummet/
About 10 percent said they purchased their gun from a retail shop or pawnshop, 37 percent obtained it from family or friends, and another 40 percent obtained it from an illegal source.
- Forbes, 14th May 2013

I don't know how you make your claim that "that somewhere in the neighborhood of 99+ percent of gun violence in the US involved illegally owned guns" when no stats have been complied in about a decade:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...rimes-plummet/
2004 (the most recent year of data available)
- same article

Do you know more than the Dept of Justice?

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I really don't know which is more funny, the fact that you're linking an article that disputes your entire theory on guns, or the fact that you are trying to skew a statement within the article grossly and take it out of context completely.


For those that haven't bothered with the link made by Rollo, give it a click. The article is entitled "Disarming Realities: As Gun Sales Soar, Gun Crimes Plummet" and it appears he read only enough of it to try to twist a statement made in the article, discarding the rest of it.

And I make no claim to know more about gun ownership statistics than the DOJ, but the FBI has huge online databases. Anyone who goes so far as to read the above article would find that a great deal of murders with guns takes place with the gang bangers too young to own one regardless of state.


But lets not let facts from the article get in the way when we can speculate and make things up.

In my opinion as rose tinted as it is, guns kill people so less guns is better. Where ever that is. Guns don't make anything better.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Do you know more than the Dept of Justice?

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Most everybody knows more than the department of justice.

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Originally Posted by odykas

I agree, but we are talking about a piece of legislation which is almost 250 years old and totally obsolete.

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So you are saying that the United States Bill of Rights, part of the original amendments to the Constitution, is totally obsolete?

That is perhaps the most ignorant statement I've read on here in quite some time.

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Arizona shooting range accident

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Dumb di dumb dumb..... Dumb!

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Originally Posted by Starter

So you are saying that the United States Bill of Rights, part of the original amendments to the Constitution, is totally obsolete?

That is perhaps the most ignorant statement I've read on here in quite some time.

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Is it working as intended though?

I'd suggest that the utility of it as it currently enforced, is poor.

The Bill of Rights 1689 (which by the way actually enshrined the right to bear arms in the colonies 87 before the invention of the United States) has this to say:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Wi...2/introduction
That the Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law.

That's a perennial question of "how free is freedom?". Why is it necessary to shout "theatre" in a crowded fire?

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Originally Posted by Starter

So you are saying that the United States Bill of Rights, part of the original amendments to the Constitution, is totally obsolete?

That is perhaps the most ignorant statement I've read on here in quite some time.

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I'm saying that the 2nd amendment (dated 1789) is obsolete as the country and the conditions have changed dramatically since then.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

In my opinion as rose tinted as it is, guns kill people so less guns is better. Where ever that is. Guns don't make anything better.

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Many of the people dying is a good thing

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Originally Posted by odykas

I'm saying that the 2nd amendment (dated 1789) is obsolete as the country and the conditions have changed dramatically since then.

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Yes we should now trade in our guns for C4

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Originally Posted by odykas

I'm saying that the 2nd amendment (dated 1789) is obsolete as the country and the conditions have changed dramatically since then.

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Actually, you can't say that. When you become a citizen here then you get a say. Until that time it's none of your business. just as I don't get a say in some of the stupid things taking place in other countries.