Donkey of the Race - Monaco

How do you come to the conclusion that Lewis has had a race winning car since the start of his career ?
IF he had for the last four years do you honestly believe that Vettel would have taken the championship ?
Lewis has peddled which ever car he has been given very well every year,there were times when he did,nt seem as if he could be bothered when things did,nt always go his way ,but I feel that he is one of the fastest 3 guys out there,and in a good car not many would beat him .
Judgment on his ability compared to Rosbergs will be witnessed later in the year

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Originally Posted by driveace

How do you come to the conclusion that Lewis has had a race winning car since the start of his career ?
IF he had for the last four years do you honestly believe that Vettel would have taken the championship ?
Lewis has peddled which ever car he has been given very well every year,there were times when he did,nt seem as if he could be bothered when things did,nt always go his way ,but I feel that he is one of the fastest 3 guys out there,and in a good car not many would beat him .
Judgment on his ability compared to Rosbergs will be witnessed later in the year

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Agreed, in my eyes only Alonso has produced better results and shone brighter in less competative cars over the years.

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Originally Posted by driveace

How do you come to the conclusion that Lewis has had a race winning car since the start of his career ?
IF he had for the last four years do you honestly believe that Vettel would have taken the championship ?
Lewis has peddled which ever car he has been given very well every year,there were times when he did,nt seem as if he could be bothered when things did,nt always go his way ,but I feel that he is one of the fastest 3 guys out there,and in a good car not many would beat him .
Judgment on his ability compared to Rosbergs will be witnessed later in the year

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I mean at the start of his F1 career he had a race winning car (McLaren), whereas Alonso started out in a Minardi, Kimi in a Sauber, Vettel in a BMW and then Torro Rosso, so I wondered whether this was why when things don't go his way Lewis gets in a strop.

I'm not talking about his speed, I agree he is one of the three fastest if not the fastest, I'm talking about his attitude problems/mental strength.

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Originally Posted by driveace

How do you come to the conclusion that Lewis has had a race winning car since the start of his career ?

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The 2007 Macca WAS a race winning car. Who else did get to make his F1 debut in a top team? The only other one I can remember is Jacques Villeneuve and he came with a CART title and an Indy 500 win as a reference. Lewis had it the easiest way. He never needed to drive midfield cars, never in his whole junior career, which is why his 'I'm hungrier than thou' attack on Rosberg backfired so badly. Hamilton was signed up by McLaren at the age of 13 (like Vettel was by Red Bull btw.) From then on he had the best possible equipment and gobs of McLaren money wherever he raced. Not even Vettel was spoon-fed like that. He had to prove his mettle in a Toro Rosso and did that convincingly (still their only winner and scored about 80% of all points in STR's history). Lewis jumped right into a potentially winning car.
There's theoretically nothing wrong with that as he has the talent to justify that decision, but then he shouldn't try to paint himself as the one, who worked his way up from the slums. He's been extremely privileged. The Monaco weekend showed one thing - he's badly lacking in intelligence or as we say 'intellectually different'. I'm not saying he's stupid, he just knows very little.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

The 2007 Macca WAS a race winning car. Who else did get to make his F1 debut in a top team? The only other one I can remember is Jacques Villeneuve and he came with a CART title and an Indy 500 win as a reference. Lewis had it the easiest way. He never needed to drive midfield cars, never in his whole junior career, which is why his 'I'm hungrier than thou' attack on Rosberg backfired so badly. Hamilton was signed up by McLaren at the age of 13 (like Vettel was by Red Bull btw.) From then on he had the best possible equipment and gobs of McLaren money wherever he raced. Not even Vettel was spoon-fed like that. He had to prove his mettle in a Toro Rosso and did that convincingly (still their only winner and scored about 80% of all points in STR's history). Lewis jumped right into a potentially winning car.
There's theoretically nothing wrong with that as he has the talent to justify that decision, but then he shouldn't try to paint himself as the one, who worked his way up from the slums. He's been extremely privileged. The Monaco weekend showed one thing - he's badly lacking in intelligence or as we say 'intellectually different'. I'm not saying he's stupid, he just knows very little.

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Hamilton may have had a slightly easier route than most but lets not forget he was dropped from the McLaren/Mercedes driver development program at one point and had to earn it back. Vettel would have got a seat straight at Red Bull had Coulthard's 2008 contract not been in place as Helmut Marko once remarked, the timings didn't add up as he'd wished.

It is also worth remembering Lewis proved from the very start of his F1 career that going straight to a top team was definitely the right call. A rookie scoring 9 consecutive podiums and winning at race 6 proved he had what it takes. His journey to F1, much like Vettel's was highly decorated and at that time was the most successful rookie on the grid back in 2007. Drivers all want to drive for the best and its about good management and getting your foot in the door. I can't quite believe Lewis gets criticised for this and somehow fans like yourself feel he was 'spoon fed' because of sheer jealousy. In this day and age it is sad and something I would expect from the younger less experienced fan, but no you DJ.

I think Lewis does over do the 'worked his way up from the slums' part, that I agree with. However he was privileged due to his ability and got interest very early in his career through cheekily approaching Ron Dennis to his father putting in a hell of a lot of hard work in the process. Unlike Nico he did not grow up in Monaco with a World champion father or Vettel in a middle class region with personal friendship of Michael Schumacher. They all made their connection to where they are now and have all got to the top by exploiting who they know in order to get there. Lets applaud them for that!

Back to Monaco 2014. Lewis complained on the radio and I don't feel that is deserving of Donkey of the race personally. Nico didn't get it for his complaints in Malaysia 2013 or Bahrain 2014 for similar things even though they were all warranted IMO. The fall out within the team was not connected with the race as we saw it and was a private matter until Lauda brought it to the media's attention. I know many are rubbing their hands together but we judge the poorest driver in the race, not the politics afterwards. My donkey's would be Chilton and Sutil, although I don't know what they said on their team radio's or afterwards because it doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I googled it for you . I would suggest definition number one would be the intended one .

ig·no·ble
igˈnōbəl/Submit
adjective
1.
not honorable in character or purpose.
"ignoble feelings of intense jealousy"
synonyms: dishonorable, unworthy, base, shameful, contemptible, despicable, dastardly, vile, degenerate, shabby, sordid, mean; More
2.
of humble origin or social status.
"ignoble savages"

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I know precisely what it means, I was just curious that MacFeegle used the term.


I'm wondering whose ex-wife they got to draw up that synonym list...

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Originally Posted by MacFeegle

Sorry word wrong? I mean not honour man.

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Its the right word, I just hadn't seen it being used on a forum since, like ever. :D

Excellent post henners88

Excellent post henners88.....excellent analysis in your comments, especially Lewis being spoon fed by McLaren, and Nico's complaints being totally ignored, during Malaysia 2013 and Bahrain 2014.

For those who think that Ron Dennis wouldn't have dropped Hamilton like a hot rock if he didn't perform all along the way, then you don't have a realistic view of Mr. Dennis.

This^^