Xsaras slowish ?

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Originally Posted by Helstar

I disagree, I believe there is really a problem with the cars. Old or downgraded or setup problems or all of them I don't know, but facts are: Carlsson so slow everywhere (even Sweden !), how come ... Stohl used Xsara in 2005 and he was not this bad ... both Galli and Stohl slower with Xsara than the 307 :\ the only good thing was Galli performance on early Sweden stages, but I think it was thanks to the snow Pirelli tyres mainly.

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You should compare time differences not positions, their pace is about the same compared to winners in 2005-2007. Seems that now there just is more drivers between winner and these guys than before.

If I remember right, janne didn't actually complain about the car. he said it was tricky to drive and what made it a bit emberrasing was that it was tricky to drive for him. I don't remember Toni ever complained about Xsara ? Remind me please.

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

If I remember right, janne didn't actually complain about the car. he said it was tricky to drive and what made it a bit emberrasing was that it was tricky to drive for him. I don't remember Toni ever complained about Xsara ? Remind me please.

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Maybe there was too little snow for janne?

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Maybe there was too little snow for janne?

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Janne said that he had to push the car to high rpms and it made it tricky. I don't believe him. I think there was too little snow in Jyväskylä last august :D

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

If I remember right, janne didn't actually complain about the car. he said it was tricky to drive and what made it a bit emberrasing was that it was tricky to drive for him. I don't remember Toni ever complained about Xsara ? Remind me please.

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In some interview Toni was asked to compare 307 and Xsara. He told that 307 wasn't so easy to drive than Xsara, but when he got used to 307, it felt better than Xsara.

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Originally Posted by Zes

In some interview Toni was asked to compare 307 and Xsara. He told that 307 wasn't so easy to drive than Xsara, but when he got used to 307, it felt better than Xsara.

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Ok, cheers Zes. :up:

But that's hardly a complain.

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Originally Posted by COD

What are you talking about? There is nothing wrong with the private Xsaras like there was not last year. The drivers in them are just absolutely c**p.

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After what they showed last year(at least Gigi and Manfred), saying they have become suddenly "crap" is...erm... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Helstar

I disagree, I believe there is really a problem with the cars. Old or downgraded or setup problems or all of them I don't know, but facts are: Carlsson so slow everywhere (even Sweden !), how come ... Stohl used Xsara in 2005 and he was not this bad ... both Galli and Stohl slower with Xsara than the 307 :\ the only good thing was Galli performance on early Sweden stages, but I think it was thanks to the snow Pirelli tyres mainly.

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Me thinks Manfred Stohl and sponsor OMV have simply been "trapped" by the fact that the Kronos Citroën succeed in giving the driver title to Loeb last year !!! :mark:


But what shoud have opened the eyes of Manfred is that no other drivers than Seb could really do the best with the Xsara !!! Hismself, Stohl, was faster than any other drivers driving the Xsara last year(Pons, Sordo, even Gardemeister,...) :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Me thinks Manfred Stohl and sponsor OMV have simply been "trapped" by the fact that the Kronos Citroën succeed in giving the driver title to Loeb last year !!! :mark:


But what shoud have opened the eyes of Manfred is that no other drivers than Seb could really do the best with the Xsara !!! Hismself, Stohl, was faster than any other drivers driving the Xsara last year(Pons, Sordo, even Gardemeister,...) :rolleyes:

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Manfred himself told in an Intervie with motorline that the problem is that his xsara (and also the ones of gigi and daniel) has nothing to do with the xsara loeb used last year, they had all the parts (suspension, gearbox, brakes,..)of this years C4 in Loebs car already last year..

he, and also Kronos dont know why Citroen want let them use this parts.

but he also said that he is sure that the decision to go back to Kronos for 2007 was absolutly right, because the works teams are so much faster and they spend so much more money in development than last year, that with the peugeot he would be even more behind the top times than now with the xsara...

regards

wrc1

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Originally Posted by WRC1

Manfred himself told in an Intervie with motorline that the problem is that his xsara (and also the ones of gigi and daniel) has nothing to do with the xsara loeb used last year, they had all the parts (suspension, gearbox, brakes,..)of this years C4 in Loebs car already last year..

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Really, I thought some of these parts needs to be homogolated before those can be used...