George Zimmerman verdict just in . . .

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Hello??? It is called trespass. The trespass was reported and Martin disappears. About two minutes later, Martin attacks Zimmerman. Zimmerman is unable to make another phone call and it is the neighbor who hears cries for help and sees Martin on top, pounding Zimmerman into the ground, who calls the police while the attack is still occurring. This call also results in the cries for help being recorded by police dispatchers. Martin's parents claim that is their "baby" screaming for help. Others say Zimmerman. The one who made the call to the police, says it is Zimmerman who is beneath Martin, screaming for help. There is a single muffled shot, and Martin falls off of Zimmerman.

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Congratulations for not answering my question, what would YOU do if I was pursuing you in the middle of the night and I wasn't clearly marked or identified as a Police officer?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

So if I see you walking down the street at night doing absolutely nothing wrong, and Zimmerman never actually saw Martin do anything wrong, then what would your natural reaction be when I pursue you? :confused:

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First, I would not be trespassing into a gated community in the middle of the night. Second, if someone were following me that worried me, I would use my cell phone, and Martin had a cell phone that he could have used to call police but did not. Third, once I lost sight of you and you lost sight of me, I would leave. Fourth, I would not circle around and come after you, then beat and knock you to the ground, while you scream for someone to help you.

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Originally Posted by leighton323

Yes I understand what you mean, but we have to be realistic here, what's the point in having any sort of neighbourhood watch if they didn't actually try and prevent the crime. How many other thousands of times do you think this has occurred with other people who are protecting there community. I bet 99.99% of these times it's just a couple of kids mucking around somewhere they shouldn't be and then that 00.01% the guy ends up attacking you risking your life, and we have the case we have now. I know he shouldn't have put himself in a position to be attacked but I feel maybe, someone trying to attack and kill you isn't the first thing you are worried about or expecting.

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Dude! We had a family of scum who lived up the road and their kids would act "suspicious" at all hours of the night, not once did I feel the need to put myself in a situation where I could get hurt or where there'd be the need for confrontation, the Police were called many times by various people and drove by and/or talked to the kids and no one got shot or hurt, THAT is how law and order works.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

First, I would not be trespassing into a gated community in the middle of the night. Second, if someone were following me that worried me, I would use my cell phone, and Martin had a cell phone that he could have used to call police but did not. Third, once I lost sight of you and you lost sight of me, I would leave. Fourth, I would not circle around and come after you, then beat and knock you to the ground, while you scream for someone to help you.

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So if you had been dumb enough to trespass then I'd be justified in pursuing you and shooting you? You've got to remember that this kid was a 17 year old, most kids that age are idiots. Don't get me wrong, Martin could have done things differently and lived, but ultimately the adult and supposedly mature Neighbourhood Watch member shouldn't have created a situation which ended this way.

And it is easy to talk about in the quiet of a debate or in the middle of a courtroom long after it is over. Hindsight is perfect as they say. It is all together different in the few seconds of stress, panic, fear, pain and uncertainty, with your life hanging in the balance. Speaking of which, it is my bedtime.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Dude! We had a family of scum who lived up the road and their kids would act "suspicious" at all hours of the night, not once did I feel the need to put myself in a situation where I could get hurt or where there'd be the need for confrontation, the Police were called many times by various people and drove by and/or talked to the kids and no one got shot or hurt, THAT is how law and order works.

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But I still refer back to the fact that he was doing a job, not saying it was his job, but he was part of an organisation or community group that had wanted someone to keep an eye out on the community, I'm sure you weren't part of a group that was trying to protect the community. If there was such a group I'm sure they would have kept an eye out for these kids. I know i wouldn't do what he did but i can see why he did. what if Zimmerman had prevented a crime that night. How was he supposed to know the circumstances which were about to unfold. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

So if you had been dumb enough to trespass then I'd be justified in pursuing you and shooting you? You've got to remember that this kid was a 17 year old, most kids that age are idiots. Don't get me wrong, Martin could have done things differently and lived, but ultimately the adult and supposedly mature Neighbourhood Watch member shouldn't have created a situation which ended this way.

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You would be justified in watching me to see what sort of evil I might be up and calling the police. Which is what Zimmerman did. Martin may have been 17 but was more than capable of beating someone to death. It just happened that, much to the probable surprise of Martin, Zimmerman had a gun and did not just lie there and get beaten to death. Instead of attacking Zimmerman, Martin could have attacked someone else who did not have a gun---or Zimmerman could have been unarmed. As you put it, go looking for trouble, you just might find it. Martin found it.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

And it is easy to talk about in the quiet of a debate or in the middle of a courtroom long after it is over. Hindsight is perfect as they say. It is all together different in the few seconds of stress, panic, fear, pain and uncertainty, with your life hanging in the balance. Speaking of which, it is my bedtime.

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Hindsight, anyone with half a brain wouldn't have pushed it further. If I saw someone who looked suspicious, but was commiting no crime, I wouldn't create a situation where possibly innocently intentioned actions on both sides create a situation where one or more people get hurt or killed. It's common sense sadly.

If Zimmerman had actually seen some sort of crime committed then you could understand him pursuing Martin, but there was no crime committed.

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Originally Posted by leighton323

But I still refer back to the fact that he was doing a job, not saying it was his job, but he was part of an organisation or community group that had wanted someone to keep an eye out on the community, I'm sure you weren't part of a group that was trying to protect the community. If there was such a group I'm sure they would have kept an eye out for these kids. I know i wouldn't do what he did but i can see why he did. what if Zimmerman had prevented a crime that night. How was he supposed to know the circumstances which were about to unfold. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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Can I ask a question Leighton? How old are you?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Dude! We had a family of scum who lived up the road and their kids would act "suspicious" at all hours of the night, not once did I feel the need to put myself in a situation where I could get hurt or where there'd be the need for confrontation, the Police were called many times by various people and drove by and/or talked to the kids and no one got shot or hurt, THAT is how law and order works.

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No, you chose to live in fear and avoid confrontation, leaving the problems to repeat themselves over and over again. Ask Richard martin about how your country fails to protect victims and leaves the "family of scum" to run wild. Oh well, I have more important things to do.