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12th May 2013, 22:59
dj_bytedisaster

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Originally Posted by henners88

The problem is half the muppets writing comments on that page think its Pirelli's fault and fail to see the tyre company are delivering to a set brief. If the FIA were getting complaints I could understand. I don't see a problem with fans showing dismay about the tyre situation but to get personal with Pirelli is moronic IMO.

This year it is Pirelli's fault. They went too far on what FIA wanted. They produced a tire that self-destructs after 5 laps. That can't be what FIA asked for.
12th May 2013, 23:47
dj_bytedisaster

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13th May 2013, 01:03
faster69

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

I'm still clinging to the hope that Monaco might be a race, but if that is such a farce again, F1 is dead for me. Bahrain was bad enough, pleanty of action, but whoever fought was punished with dying tires. Vettel tire-conserved away at the front, much like fernando today. I thought such things were a thing of the past since the dreary Schumacher years 2000-2004. If i want to see tire conservatism, I'll watch lentil eating eco-lesbians dawdling about Berlin in their G-Wizzes. Thanks.

2000-2004??? okay 02 and 04 dreary, but 2000 and 2003 were epic. 2001 had great races when the williams didn't break down.
13th May 2013, 04:10
Hawkmoon

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Originally Posted by Whyzars

I don't understand what you mean by this. For me, a tyre should do what its designed to do for as long as possible - if for no lesser reason than safety.

Why do tyres need personalities? How have tyres assumed any role in the race results of an engineering formula?

We are led to believe that the teams are panhandling for engine money so any savings on rubber should be welcomed. Less is more so they say.

The current tyre provider is doing what an F1 bureaucrat has asked for not what a tyre manufacturer does.

"Look at me, I'm Mr. P - I can design a tyre that falls off a cliff right when I say it will. Watch while my companies reputation goes off that exact same cliff."

If the current regime of tyre design by committee continues we'll be receiving square wheels before we know it. :)

The tyre is doing what it's designed to do and that's to inject a degree of uncertainty into the race. You may recall a few years ago Vettel stopping on the penultimate lap of a race to change tyres for no other reason than to abide by the rule about using both compounds in a race. He could have continued on his original set of tyres that had just done 50+ laps of Monza. Is that what you would prefer? That tyres were completely removed from the equation?

Anybody who watched races at Barcelona in the past will know what happens when tyres are no longer a variable. It's a race long procession where the guy who gets out of turn one in the lead wins the race. I'll take what we had yesterday over that any day of the week. Pirelli need to make sure that drivers are still able to race hard for position and in that regard it would appear that they have missed the mark. They need to tweak the tyres a little, not make wholesale changes.
13th May 2013, 04:46
dj_bytedisaster

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

Anybody who watched races at Barcelona in the past will know what happens when tyres are no longer a variable. It's a race long procession where the guy who gets out of turn one in the lead wins the race. I'll take what we had yesterday over that any day of the week. Pirelli need to make sure that drivers are still able to race hard for position and in that regard it would appear that they have missed the mark. They need to tweak the tyres a little, not make wholesale changes.

So,the scheming *******s at Pirelli designing a tire that specifically doesn't work for one team and ****s over Mclaren and Mercedes in the process, too is acceptable? People needing to change tires four times (!!) to cover a distance of 300 measly kilometers is normal? The only teams to "understand" the tires are the one big team from the same country as said supplier and the one that provides the test car? This deal stinks even with the most rose-tinted look at it.
13th May 2013, 07:07
Hawkmoon

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

So,the scheming *******s at Pirelli designing a tire that specifically doesn't work for one team and ****s over Mclaren and Mercedes in the process, too is acceptable? People needing to change tires four times (!!) to cover a distance of 300 measly kilometers is normal? The only teams to "understand" the tires are the one big team from the same country as said supplier and the one that provides the test car? This deal stinks even with the most rose-tinted look at it.

You keep asserting that Pirelli are deliberately designing tyres to hobble Red Bull yet I've yet to see any evidence of this. If you have any, please enlighten us. Are you asserting that Pirelli somehow obtained the design specs of the 2013 Red Bull and then designed their tyres in such a way that they wouldn't work on that car? How else could that have "design(ed) a tire that specifically doesn't work for one team"?

I see that your conspiracy theory has expanded and now involves some kind of Italian nationalistic plot to ensure Ferrari win the title. Again, any evidence for this?

Pirelli using a Lotus (it's actually a 2010 Renault, but let's not quibble over semantics) is a good point and worthy of further discussion. I'm not sure how much of the 2010 Renault is in the 2013 Lotus but it may have played a part in why Lotus are so easy on their tyres. Pirelli are now using a 2011 HRT chassis (Pirelli Buys HRT Formula 1 Car - autoevolution) so whatever advantage Lotus may gained will probably be short lived.
13th May 2013, 07:17
dj_bytedisaster

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

You keep asserting that Pirelli are deliberately designing tyres to hobble Red Bull yet I've yet to see any evidence of this. If you have any, please enlighten us.

Maybe Paul Hembery saying in an interview "if we made our tire more durable Red Bull would win by a lap" does qualify? Two times this year he said openly that more durable tires would make RB too fast. That's deliberate sabotage in my book.
13th May 2013, 07:34
Hawkmoon

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

Maybe Paul Hembery saying in an interview "if we made our tire more durable Red Bull would win by a lap" does qualify? Two times this year he said openly that more durable tires would make RB too fast. That's deliberate sabotage in my book.

No it doesn't. It means that Pirelli aren't going to change their tyres to suit one team. If they make their tyres more durable they take away an advantage that Lotus currently have. Why would it be acceptable to help Red Bull yet hinder Lotus at the same time?

The tyres are the same for every team. If Newey is such a genius he'll work out a solution to Red Bull's problems won't he?
13th May 2013, 07:43
dj_bytedisaster

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

No it doesn't. It means that Pirelli aren't going to change their tyres to suit one team. If they make their tyres more durable they take away an advantage that Lotus currently have. Why would it be acceptable to help Red Bull yet hinder Lotus at the same time?

The tyres are the same for every team. If Newey is such a genius he'll work out a solution to Red Bull's problems won't he?

So the only team that "understands" the current tires is the one that supplies Pirelli's test car. And why should RB be punished for building a better car than anyone else?`If your kid would turn out highly gifted, would you prefer it to get maximum possibilities or would you prefer that your kid be dumbed down lest it makes the other kids feel bad about themselves?
13th May 2013, 07:49
henners88

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

So the only team that "understands" the current tires is the one that supplies Pirelli's test car. And why should RB be punished for building a better car than anyone else?`If your kid would turn out highly gifted, would you prefer it to get maximum possibilities or would you prefer that your kid be dumbed down lest it makes the other kids feel bad about themselves?

For one Pirelli do not give more data and feed back to a team that supplies them a 3 year old car. You'd do yourself a lot of favours now if you backed up this accusation because right now it sounds like a stupid conspiracy theory to me. The second point bolded begs the question; if Red Bull have built a better car this year than anyone else, why is it not managing the tyres better than the likes of Lotus and Ferrari? You are going to come back now and suggest the definition of Formula One is to have as much down-force as possible and push right to the end. You'll also say Lotus have an unfair advantage by providing the test car to Pirelli and ignore my previous request for you to back up your conspiracy theory.

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