Nor do I especially care about that, since there are many very worthy church activities towards which the money goes, to say nothing of the contribution made towards maintenance of some very historic buildings.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
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Nor do I especially care about that, since there are many very worthy church activities towards which the money goes, to say nothing of the contribution made towards maintenance of some very historic buildings.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
As I said, I don't believe it is an issue that needs to be considered too deeply. Clearly, marriage is not seen by the majority of people — given the increasingly secular nature of society — as being merely the legal enforcement of the Biblical commandments. I would suggest that most who enter into it would view it rather more vaguely — for instance, as an affirmation of love between the individuals concerned. This ought not to matter a jot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
It's interesting to find out who the closet bigots are. Like at work people who you thought we're a bit stupid are saying they can't see any problem and others you thought were cool are saying it shouldn't be allowed as it's not natural etc.
It's interesting to find out a new criteria to label people as stupid, cool, bigot, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Sort of "who isn't with us is against us"....
English history and the ancient laws that are derived from it, is peppered with religious bickering. Don't lose your head I say! (although plenty did).Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
All I understand is that I am a cool guy :laugh:
I don't really care about gay people. I know I'm never going to convince anyone of anything so I'm pretty sure I can't ungay anyone. It's their problem and all I want is to be left alone. I do resent the aggressive ones... like the gay pride people who feel the need to stick their gayness in my face. Seeing a bunch of gays riding bikes naked through the streets of Barcelona didn't enlighten me one bit. The same goes for forcing their way into the church.
There is plenty in this world that is not natural - genetic modification etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Most homosexual males that I have come across are very non 'in your face' about their sexuality. It is the minority that shove it down folk's throats (bad choice) that spread much ill will.
That may be to fulfill the Church criteria - ie reading of the Banns etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
OK, do you want a legal or religious opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
If we're talking about Religion, and I mean the whole Christ, Bible, Christian thing as that's the one I'm more familiar with, then Adultery is quite simple.
It is the act of sexual relations between a man and a woman where one or both are within wedlock. Funnily enough, this means that a gay or lesbian relationship can never be committing Adultery.
Of course, that is the modern interpretation. If we use Jesus's words as recorded in the Bible (Matthew) then Adultery is committed if you look at a Married woman with desire or lustfull thoughts. The punishment for such crime is death. Hmmmmmmm. I would have been stoned, and not in a pleasant way, with the thoughts I had for half my mates mums when I was at School. No hope for me.
Talking bout Jews, can you tell me about David. Don't they all descend from David and are therefore the fruit of Adultery. If we followed the bible, then Jews wouldn't exist. So, if a Jew objects to something like Same Sex marriage on Religious Law grounds, you mght like to remind them to stock up on half bricks for themselves and everyone involved with their religion first.
Seems to me, the only ones that have stuck more or less to these teachings are the Muslims. Mind you, they think the Jesus bloke was a Prophet which has always struck me as a bit more realistic. However, because we think that followers of the Koran are a bunch of extremists, and not in touch with our enlightened 21st Century lifestyle, we convienently dismiss them as a bunch of nutters when in fact, they are the ones upholding the laws of Christ etc.
It depends what context you see Marriage as I suppose. Legal or Religious.Quote:
Again I ask the same two questions as before: What do people see the point of marriage as? What is marriage for?
Is marriage therefore merely the legal ringfencing to enforce the relationship of those two biblical commandments as far as the church is concerned? And since adultery itself is sex between someone who is married and someone outside that legal ringfencing, should that imply a very very more stringent degree of personal morality by the people who've voluntarily entered into that contract?
Really, this whole debate opens a lot of questions the further down the rabbit hole you go; and to places and issues that society really doesn't want to take responsibility for.
For some it is the religious union before friends, family and God and for the right to bear offspring. For others it is a legal contract containing rights of property, title and deeds sanctified by the state.
For the rest of us it's probably something in between.
There are lots of interpreataions and trying to define something as individual with a single definition is impossible. It's a bit like saying what makes someone beautiful or what is the best colour.
I'm so much with you on that one mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I've never had someone that's Gay try to turn me into a raving bender with their overt Homosexuality as some on here seem to suggest but I have seen many examples of straight people talking down to gay and lesbians like they have some sort of illness. The attitude is that they're just not trying hard enough to be straight :laugh:
As Eddie said, "I don't mind homophobics.... as long as they do it behind closed doors and don't hurt anyone" :D
As for religious idiots that think I'm unenlightened and just haven't got it yet. Sorry, I have. Your welcome to your beliefs and I'm happy with mine. I have managed 43 years on this planet and know all about your new fangled religion. I probably know more about it and it's origins than you do but you don't like talking about that because it's not convienant, fluffy and fitting with your marsh mellow view of reality. And then you threaten me with going to Hell!!! :laugh: That's a bit like me threatening you that you'll go to Mordor when you die. It's fantasy :D