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That is a question that I can't answer. However the thing that disappoints me the most about Bubba is that as the Governor of Arkansas, and The Prez, he was really into skanky biatches. He could have learned a thing or two from John, and Bobby Kennedy. At least they were hitting some fine trim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
It's not difficult to understand, posts which are along the lines of "are you stupid or what" aren't acceptable. Unfortunately it seems all political threads go this way :(Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
President Clinton did a great job at the Democratic convention last night.
I'm really looking forward to the debates.
California is a strange thing. It used to be traditionally Republican and then blinked red-blue-red through the terms of LBJ, JFK and Nixon. Coupled with the state's crippling financial woes is a general feeling that Obama didn't do what he said he would do. I don't think that there's been this much vitriol flying about since the days of Carter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini
The biggest issues of this campaign will be unemployment and the national debt, which less than 4 hours ago (at time of posting this), hit $16 trillion.
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If you look at a county by county map, California aint as blue as first thought. I'm trying to find a booth-by-booth set of stats, but I bet that the GOP will be campaining harder for turnout than the Democrats will. Admittedly the only polls which matter are on Nov 6 and Dec 17, even so, the last serious statewide poll was done almost 2 months ago.
I hope that Obama will win, but to be honest, Romney is like an angel next to crazy monsters like Santorum or Rick Perry...
And that's the kind of voter was the Republican platform tailored to appeal to!
50 minute speech:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDhk3BHi6Q
And
http://factcheck.org/2012/09/our-clinton-nightmare/Quote:
Former President Bill Clinton’s stem-winding nomination speech was a fact-checker’s nightmare: lots of effort required to run down his many statistics and factual claims, producing little for us to write about. Republicans will find plenty of Clinton’s scorching opinions objectionable. But with few exceptions, we found his stats checked out.
No whatever your name is, not only from certain posters, from many. Some just are moral cowards and attempt to hide behind a facade of politeness and artifice----and write angry obscenity filled PMs displaying their true narrow minded and rage filled reality..Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Moralistic Poseurs and we all know who they are, don't we?
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Originally Posted by race aficionado
Me too - I thought Clinton did excellent and also Warren was right there too. I really think it will come down to "Class Warfare" and in the
end I suspect Obama will win the election. I have always maintained that "a pig gets fatter and a hog gets slaughtered" Many of the rich and rich
corporations have become "Hogs" while leaving the middle class for dead. It could really bite them in the ass for many years to come.
If anybody is interested to see the seriously horrible degree of calculated hypocrisy that the Willard Robme campaign is built on, specifically him wailing about the costs of preventing, right or wrong, the complete meltdown of the US---and much of the rest of the industrialised world---financial system, the mock horror at massive Federal debt--reflect for a moment how "earned' his hundreds of millions---leveraged buy outs..
You folks understand how leveraged buy outs function?
Borrowed money. Bain puts up say 5 million, borrows 175 million from cronies, and "invests in" enough stock to control a carefully chosen , high cash flow company, then Bain doesn't pay back the borrowed capital, the victim company is saddled with the full debt.
And millions per year for the 'work' of putting the deal together--more debt.
And millions per year for Bain to "manage" the company..
Debt is just another word for capital.
Here's a couple of articles explaining how generally the leveraged buyout deals work and specifically how Romney's Bain Capital carried out their 'work":
The Federal Bailout That Saved Mitt Romney
Government documents prove the candidate's mythology is just that
The Federal Bailout That Saved Mitt Romney | Politics News | Rolling Stone
That one is great. With actual documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act it shows how when Bain swooped up a failed New england bank included all assets and liabilities, Bain refused to pay out any money to depositors and fought with FDIC, the Federal Depositor Insurance Corporation who wanted Bain to use its cash on hand to pay depositors, and how Bain clained they couldn't... and then so they would not have any cash, paid Romney and a couple of the other partners "bonuses' amounting to all their cash--25 millions here and 27 millions there---and then said "we don't have any cash" and how FDIC was forced to pay the whole amount out of the insurance fund---which all banks buy into---and pass along the cost to depositors.
and
Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital
How the GOP presidential candidate and his private equity firm staged an epic wealth grab, destroyed jobs – and stuck others with the bill
Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital | Politics News | Rolling Stone
Take the time and read both, its just 10 minutes.
Rollo I implore you, put away your statistical analysis I have lived here since I was six years old, 1960. California is a very large place. I don't need to look at PDF's to know for instance that San Diego and Orange County were bastions of Conservatives, without even looking at your link. If you lived here you would know this just by reading Op-Ed’s in great Newspapers like the LA Times and The Sacramento Bee. Just listen for a change I don't want to make this into a protracted explanation, so I will tell you some things you may or may not know. People that vote Liberal are generally more educated, and less rural. There has been a huge migration to California of people with upward mobility, (which for the most part require higher education)the vast majority embrace the laid back attitudes here and are very different than the wealthy in other areas of my country, because it is not the same kind of rat race, and move here for no other reason than our temperate climate. Contrary to what outsiders may think, the richest Californians are quite Liberal and also benevolent enough to never back the former head of Bain Capital, to say nothing of the fact that his policies positions are still very nebulous at this late stage in the election process. San Diego not that long ago had a large plurality of military, and further back not too much further a majority, very Conservative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
The Northern 1/2 of California is and has for as long as I remember been to state broadly militantly radical left. It’s no secret that San Francisco, particularly the Castro District is peopled with “Pole Smokers”, “Pillow Biters”, “Butt Pirates”, and "Barnacle Bumpers". I think you know where their sympathies lie. Costal Southern California (except communities around M.C.S. Camp Pendleton and several Air force Bases in the Southern California Desert) are high-end and for the most part left leaning. African Americans and recently naturalized Latin’s, almost all Mexican or from points south are strongly on board with the Democrats. I apologize for going over the top with you in my last post but here is reality. I haven’t read either one of the links you provided because I have and continue to live the experience. This may sound very obtuse to someone who is pedantic like you, but I offer no apologies for that. If you want to discuss whatever talking points that are included in the data you provided you should put out feelers for some else to discuss them with I don't have the time to educate the world on the history of the demographics of my home "The Great State of California"