Who thinks Schumacher finally should retire?

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Originally Posted by N4D13

Of course... one shouldn't rely much on statistics. Hamilton used to have a rather large win percentage in his first seasons, but since then, it has been reduced considerably. Meanwhile, Vettel's win percentage increased noticeably in 2012, but still... do you know who's the active driver with the largest podium percentage (after Schumacher)? It's neither Hamilton nor Vettel - Alonso, then Räikkönen. You can always try to read into some pieces of data, but they don't always tell the bigger picture.

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you know it, stats are only PART of the big picture,
and in the big picture, Fangio Rules!! still the best!
even schumi said that. as for schumi in the big picture, yes he had talent but it's hard to call him the best yet. he was lucky to have a great car when others had crap, a points system that blew him to the top by the third race, and he pulled manuevers that he wouldn't accept if someone did them to him. in the big picture he's an average driver; other contemporaries like coultard or hakkinen would have the same record if they had had the same car. get rid of him! i notice he's very silent on the issue illegal electronic aids in his car. Forever Fangio!

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Originally Posted by lotus rules

you know it, stats are only PART of the big picture,
and in the big picture, Fangio Rules!! still the best!
even schumi said that. as for schumi in the big picture, yes he had talent but it's hard to call him the best yet. he was lucky to have a great car when others had crap, a points system that blew him to the top by the third race, and he pulled manuevers that he wouldn't accept if someone did them to him. in the big picture he's an average driver; other contemporaries like coultard or hakkinen would have the same record if they had had the same car. get rid of him! i notice he's very silent on the issue illegal electronic aids in his car. Forever Fangio!

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How can you claim that a man who physically wouldn't even fit in a modern F1 car is a better driver than Schumacher or whoever? How do you know whether he would have been able to achieve the levels of physical fitness required to complete a race these days given his age when he won his championships in his own day? How can you be so confident that he would master the electronics and system management skills also essential these days? You can't. Just as you couldn't know how hard or aggressive Schumacher would have been back in Fangio's day knowing that an accident probably meant death.

Motorsport is technology dependent and the sport has changed beyond recognition. Beyond the ability to merely drive fast the skillsets required have changed completely. It is therefore nearly impossible to compare drivers from the very beginning of the F1 era with the modern day, let alone claim that one is superior to the other.

I'm not denigrating Fangio, he was fantastic but you cannot claim that he was the best ever. We simply don't know because we can't compare.

lotusrules, when you said that Michael and Mika are average, for me your post lost credibility. You like drivers of old, I can understand that. But to degrade two of the best drivers in modern era is ridiculous. Different times, different circumstances. For me, what Michael did with Ferrari is the greatest. You think different. That's why we have opinions. For facts we have statistics.

Sorry guys but what Fangio has to do with this topic ? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Schumacher's record as far as I'm concerned is completely irrelevant to whether or not he should retire. From Mercedes-Benz' perspective, it should be about putting the best set of components to go racing with. To that end, the question needs to be asked is:

"Is Schumacher the best component currently available" - I think "No".

Realistically the best asnwer to that question is probably Gary Paffett who is under contract to HWA AG. Daimler AG could pull rank and put him into a Mercedes-Benz with very little effort.

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:rotflmao:

Garry Paffett couldn't hold a candle to a 43 years old MS.
What a stupid thread BTW.

I'll answer it now, no he shouldn't retire just yet.

Yes, he should be immediately replaced by drivers like Paffett or De La Rosa.

Grandpa got Pole :eek:

I'll eat my hat :bandit:

Unless of course it was due to the stoopid Pirelli tyre lottery eh ioan ? :p

Fantastic lap from Schumacher. There have been signs of the old spark returning this year and hopefully we're beginning to see the start of the fire burning for Schumacher again. If at 43 he can win a race that would be something unbelievable. He certainly deserves to be on pole tomorrow. Shame about the penalty.

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