Children

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Originally Posted by Ian McC

Seems to me a lot of todays problems stem from how children are brought up. The whole issue of ASBO's really is not solving the problem, if the government spent more time helping new parents out then maybe some children would not grow up out of control.

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More is given now to parents than ever before and I don't notice any upswing in behaviour standards, quite the opposite if anything.

Smacking isn't the answer either.

My thoughts are to put contraception into the mains water supply and if you want a child you have to satisfy certain criteria before you can get bottled water.

Okay I'm a facist I admit it but at least the newborns would be wanted and belong to decent families rather than illeducated scumbag underclass types.

Although our little accident was the best thing that ever happened to me.

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Originally Posted by schmenke

True, but on the other hand a parent has to strike a balance between spending quality time with their children and thinking about their futures. Both myself and the missus work full-time (well, the missus only 4 days per week), but we choose to do so to earn enough to invest in our kid(s)' future. We could probably eke by on my meager wages, allowing the wife to stay at home with the little 'un, but then we would never be able to invest in their futures. Currently, every scrap of our savings is invested in government-sponsored education funds, etc.

Do we own two vehicles and take foreign holidays... No, but this is the sacrifice that we make to allow our kid(s) to hopefully have a better future.

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Unless you're very lucky, there is no perfect answer.

However, your Children are not, I suspect, the ones that are left to their own devises through Laziness or through not having the time to supervise them adequately.

I have a far from perfect situation with my Daughter. Her mother and I are divorced and my Daughter lives with her Mother. I get to see her regularly and I know she is well cared for and happy but the Mother does not choose to set adequate boundaries. Preferring my daughter to have a pretty free reign.

It's funny because it's normally the estranged parent that gets to spoil the children but I find that I tend to be the one instilling values. As you can imagine, it sometimes goes down like a lead balloon with the "Mummy lets me do that" argument but it has really improved her manners and social confidence. OK, she can still be a right little madam but most of the time I'm really proud of the way she behaves.

I was talking to a friend about this the other day and we agreed that our Children look up to us to have all the answers as we did our parents. It's not until you've gone through it that you realised that your parents didn't have a clue just as we're winging it today :D

All you can do is try and the worst crime is not to make the effort.

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Originally Posted by cosmicpanda

Be careful with that sort of thing. A kid took his parents' car out for a spin one night and they disliked it, so they took him to court and he was sentenced to a jail term. In the prison van on the way he got murdered.

A one-in-a-million case, but I bet parents here are less willing to take their children to court as a means of solving domestic disputes now.

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What about the thousands of people facing life without a loved one thanks to joyriders who squashed them before being caught? Forget one in a million - the nutters want jailing.

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Originally Posted by Hazell B

What about the thousands of people facing life without a loved one thanks to joyriders who squashed them before being caught? Forget one in a million - the nutters want jailing.

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Agree Hazell. But sadly people are in the business of making problems for hundreds/thousands of people just because of an issue for one person. Sad but true.....

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Originally Posted by Hazell B

What about the thousands of people facing life without a loved one thanks to joyriders who squashed them before being caught? Forget one in a million - the nutters want jailing.

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I do agree that they can be dangerous - I live on a road that joyriders and boy racers come to and this year actually had one crash into a tree outside my mailbox. Trying to walk the dogs with cars doing twice the speed limit howling past is tricky. :p :

So, jail them all? Perhaps. But I'd want to make sure that on the way to jail they don't get murdered.... which isn't too much to ask.

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Originally Posted by cosmicpanda

I do agree that they can be dangerous - I live on a road that joyriders and boy racers come to and this year actually had one crash into a tree outside my mailbox. Trying to walk the dogs with cars doing twice the speed limit howling past is tricky. :p :

So, jail them all? Perhaps. But I'd want to make sure that on the way to jail they don't get murdered.... which isn't too much to ask.

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But that's the point - the part were they're at danger after conviction has zero to do with the crime, does it?

If a kid does damage and is found guilty, it's not the court or person who reported them to blame if they're killed by equally guilty thugs. It's the jail system, which is a whole other subject unrelated to this.

true.

I still think alot of the problems stem from the first five years of a childs life, these days so many people don't have experienced relatives to turn to for advice, there is not the family unit there once was. This is where the support would be best aimed at.

Our local community something-or-other officer had a meeting with three of us from my street two days ago. She's basically a person who deals with problems within a neighbourhood, mainly children causing hassle and damage.

To be blunt, she's pointless except for making residents feel better. She admitted she has no powers to speak of, no ability to force children to behave, and that in 99% of cases the parents and children who're causing trouble never turn up at meetings with her when asked. She and the police knew instantly of every single child myself and my two neighbours described, but they have never managed a single charge against any of them. In each case the parents are unemployed or on fake disability payment long term - again unpunished! - and won't accept their children are mini monsters as young as 10 years old.

Perhaps not the norm, but in our case it was depressing hearing what the community officer said. They are attracted to our nice riverbank street because they live in a dead end area, and there's nothing we can do to stop it. :(

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Originally Posted by Hazell B

... They are attracted to our nice riverbank street because they live in a dead end area, and there's nothing we can do to stop it. :(

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And do your mutts not appear sufficiently menacing to keep the little irksters at bay? :p :