Unemployed young

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Most businesess have shortsighted strategy in general.

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That's why most of them won't survive on the long term.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Unless something has changed since I was last unemployed if you don't turn up for an interview the job centre has sent you on then you lose your benefits.

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Empty threats, the incompetent types who are employed by the Job Centre / Benefits Offices are clueless and toothless.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

When you have welfare as good as certain countries have, the young have no motivation for "dirty" jobs and are probably expecting a nice manager position at once. That is why generous welfare payments need to be dumped at once.

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Food/Clothing vouchers instead of money - that'll learn em

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Perhaps if essential things like;

fuel, mortgages/rent, electricity, gas, public transport etc

weren't all so bloody expensive, wage demands needent be so high.

Unless there is a very real and specific reason why you are genuinely unable to work, then you should not be eligeable for any form of benefit.

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In order

tax, folk seeing houses as investments rather than a place to live, loony green targets, trade unions

causing the rip offs

That would be against their 'ooman rights' you'd have Cherie Blair on your case

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

A very real and specific reason might be 'being unable to find a job'.

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Rubbish, there's always work out there

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Take Jamie Oliver's example - recruiting for trainees. Only folk that could be bothered to turn up were foreign. And yet we as a nation have the cheek to complain that there are so many foreign workers over here.

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There was a TV show where they showed long term British unemployed vs Eastern European workers, the Brits were bloody hopeless when they could be arsed to turn up. It is far too cushy to take the non working life choice.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I think the incentive not to work at a menial job is probably quite a strong one for some people. It pains me that well-educated individuals are forced into this for want of anything else.

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Because they have Mickey Mouse degrees from former Polys, serves them right for wasting their time and my money.

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Originally Posted by driveace

So if the councils are cutting back on services because they are having their allowance from central government cut,why dont we cut the amount that the unemployed are paid AND then get a lot of these unemployed working for the council,the government gets the dole money they are now receiving,and pays it to these people as a wage.That way these people are working helping the community,and still getting the same money as they would on the dole,but they then feel they are employed and needed?
OR do the guys who have NO solution decry this ?

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They'd not turn up.

You have a choice do work and get X amount or stay at home playing Wii humping your slapper g/f and smoking dope for the same amount, what would you rather do?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Raising the tuition fees does not equate to making entry standards more rigorous in academic terms. This is what I'm talking about.

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But Nu Labour wanted half of the kids to go to Uni no matter how thick they were, just make sure they go.

You can't have elitist further education where only the truly bright kids can get in it has to be all inclusive. Former Polys for brain dead idiots.

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Originally Posted by Drew

Unemployed people straight out of university expect a good wage and companies are unwilling to train new people!

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Because they are largely complete numpties who think they are bright because they got 10 A star GCSEs like everybody else and attended a former Poly doing a worthless degree.

Case in point, they can't even understand the new tuition fees, they are that stupid.

Thanks to Nu Labour.

Education education education - my bottom.

The new tuition fee system is reasonably complex, particularly when you factor in bursaries, scholarships etc.. The new admissions system is also ridiculously complicated and the goalposts seem to change on a regular basis.

The Unis which charge less than £9k will be seen as inferior. It'll be interesting to see what happens to those institutions which cannot fill their quotas and therefore have a significant shortfall in their budget. The new tuition fee system may well be a means by which lesser Universities are shut down by forcing them to the wall.

No it is not.

These idiots can't grasp the basics, they think they have to pay up front and they don't. They only have to start paying it back if they get a better paid job than the previous situation.

I assume therefore that you have a child who is about to enter University in 2012, or you work in an academic institution and are sufficiently well versed in the new tuition fee and student loan structure so as to be able to guide the students who come to Open Days etc.?

Feel free to have a read here if you're not: Applying for student finance : Directgov - Education and learning

I'm sure the 17-18 year olds and parents of prospective undergraduate students on this forum will be delighted with your blanket assumption that they're all idiots.

If you are a parent or youth and you don't apply to go to Uni because you are worried about paying up front then job done as you aren't up to Uni standards.

Tuition Fees - The Facts

Why shouldn't students pay for their education and greater earning potential (as long as they do a decent degree - if they choose a Mickey Mouse course then I have no sympathy for them).

Why should the dinner ladies of today subsidise the dentists of tomorrow?

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

If you are a parent or youth and you don't apply to go to Uni because you are worried about paying up front then job done as you aren't up to Uni standards.

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So you're saying that if you don't have £27k to pay upfront for three years' worth of tuition fees then you don't deserve to go to uni?

Or are you saying that they aren't up to standard because they haven't read the regulations properly?

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Originally Posted by Andrewmcm

Or are you saying that they aren't up to standard because they haven't read the regulations properly?

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Yep, if they are that thick that they think they have to pay up front then they clearly aren't the right stuff for further education. They should be working as a packer in a factory.

They only have to pay if they get a decent job after their course. And why not, education is not free.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

And why not, education is not free.

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Quite true. Many civilised countries regard a good education as an investment which can pay for itself many times over during a person's life if they are given the opportunity of going on to a productive career. Why we seem to be heading in the exact opposite direction is somewhat of a mystery.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Quite true. Many civilised countries regard a good education as an investment which can pay for itself many times over during a person's life if they are given the opportunity of going on to a productive career. Why we seem to be heading in the exact opposite direction is somewhat of a mystery.

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Yes if only say the top 5% are going to Uni and doing worthwhile vocational degrees such as pharmacy or dentistry not so if they are doing Peace studies or Sociology.

Having too many students at Uni has meant it is no longer affordable.