Quesnel Vs Loeb

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Originally Posted by bluuford

So, everything comes together. Loeb leaves Citroen at the end of year, starts testing for VW, at the same time takes part in Le Manche 24 hour race with Audi and shows once again to Quensel how to drive a car, so that Quensel can leave in shame from Le Manche like he has done it in last years.. and Loeb comes back in 2013 and takes title for VW ;-)

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One question is if FRENCH superstar and national hero could risk to go to a GERMAN team, moreover a guy from Alsace. I don't live in France so don't have the right picture of the situation but I can imagine it could damage his reputation in his country even if he keeps wining.

There is only one way to find it out :-P

Romain Dumas, Benoit Treluyer - both French winning drivers for Audi!! And Benoit drove a Pescarolo-Peugeot 908 HDi FAP in 2009 at Le Mans - and crashed.....
Quesnel let him slip through the net, as Audi signed him.

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Originally Posted by wrc1600

Wilson played that game in 2009, they let JML win Rally Sardinia and then Hirvonen lost title by 1 point. Also they did not win in manufacturers that year. Dangerous game...

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Ok, but the manufacturers championship of this year is more or less over... maybe if Ford takes 1-2 in Finland and both Citroen have many troubles it could be still open, but probably it won't happen. For the driver championship, Ford can count basically only on Mikko, so I don't think Citroen have much to lose even if Quesnel plays "that game"...

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Originally Posted by Gregor-y

Before 1995 you could not associate many WRC champions with a particular manufacturer. Did something change in the marketing structure then, and was it a trend Subaru and Mitsubishi started?

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For me it was all about lancia, toyota and ford until 1992 when saw McRae for the first time. The rest of WRC is history, he made this sport planetary popular.

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Originally Posted by focus206

Ok, but the manufacturers championship of this year is more or less over... maybe if Ford takes 1-2 in Finland and both Citroen have many troubles it could be still open, but probably it won't happen. For the driver championship, Ford can count basically only on Mikko, so I don't think Citroen have much to lose even if Quesnel plays "that game"...

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Maybe yes maybe not, my point was at that time (Sardinia) Ford was thinking it won't happen. They were even in better position until the last loop of super stage in Poland, they started to celbrate with champagne in their hands with few rallies to go.

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Originally Posted by focus206

Ok, but the manufacturers championship of this year is more or less over... maybe if Ford takes 1-2 in Finland and both Citroen have many troubles it could be still open, but probably it won't happen. For the driver championship, Ford can count basically only on Mikko, so I don't think Citroen have much to lose even if Quesnel plays "that game"...

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Well, this is motorsport and anything can happen. Good example is Formula Renault 3.5 second race last weekend. Estonian guy was forced to spin on the first corner, he fell to the last place and he made early pitstop and finally he went on to win that race!

There is only 55 points between Ford and Citroen and imagine what happens with one double retirement for example in Finland? Difference will be only 12 points. Even if Ford takes 1, 2 and Citroen 3, 4, then they already close the cap to 39 points, which is 4 points less than maximum score in one rally. Do not say that tarmac is coming and this is in Citroen favor. Remeber how Ogier did in tarmac in 2010? last two rounds, two crashes. Quensel has proved very well that he tends to make some crucial mistakes during managing PSA sporting activities. Good example is the continuous loss of titles in Le Mance, and lost tiles in IRC in 2010. Titles in WRC just proves that it is hard to screw up with such a good and experienced team :-)

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Originally Posted by bluuford

Well, this is motorsport and anything can happen. Good example is Formula Renault 3.5 second race last weekend. Estonian guy was forced to spin on the first corner, he fell to the last place and he made early pitstop and finally he went on to win that race!

There is only 55 points between Ford and Citroen and imagine what happens with one double retirement for example in Finland? Difference will be only 12 points. Even if Ford takes 1, 2 and Citroen 3, 4, then they already close the cap to 39 points, which is 4 points less than maximum score in one rally. Do not say that tarmac is coming and this is in Citroen favor. Remeber how Ogier did in tarmac in 2010? last two rounds, two crashes. Quensel has proved very well that he tends to make some crucial mistakes during managing PSA sporting activities. Good example is the continuous loss of titles in Le Mance, and lost tiles in IRC in 2010. Titles in WRC just proves that it is hard to screw up with such a good and experienced team :-)

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hmm well I guess a lot will depends on Ogier's performance on tarmac, anyway JML and Mikko need really to score a 1-2 in Finland for them and for the team.

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Great idea from the red boss. :D

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