TV figures Drivers more Visible for Viewers Start Number - Todt

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Is it just me then? In 30 years of watching F1 I've never found identifying drivers a particular problem.

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me neither

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Originally Posted by Rollo

From what we've seen of 2011 thus far, Hispania, Virgin and Sauber all have loads of blank space all over them. For $3m someone could stick their adverts in a far more prominent position than just the rear wing end plates.

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Companies dont want to be associated with failures, but why Sauber has space left I have no idea.

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Originally Posted by Ari

30 years of watching F1 is the give away there! ;)

I would think only maybe 20% of the audience is made-up of die-hards like us. That means you have 80% who probably don't know much past the first couple teams.

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Here is the sad thing, F1 wants to cater to those 80%, not the 20% of diehards. Because they expect the diehards to take it all up the arse like a good choirboy and stick with F1, no matter how many times they screw up the rules and no matter how many idiotic things they come up with. So you know that when a rule change is coming, or anything relating to F1, it will be to cater to those 80%.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

and cutting away from race action to show a car entering the pits. I don't know how many times that has annoyed me to death, just when something is about to happen, they cut to a car slowly making its way into the pits

and another annoyance; cutting away from action in the last lap to show the lead car strolling around for half a lap, then another half lap after winning showing him congratulating himself, only to cut back to the finish line and the announcer say something like, i guess driver x did not get by driver y.
most annoying

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Agreed. Picture-in-picture would seem to make sense for pit stops.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Here is the sad thing, F1 wants to cater to those 80%, not the 20% of diehards. Because they expect the diehards to take it all up the arse like a good choirboy and stick with F1, no matter how many times they screw up the rules and no matter how many idiotic things they come up with. So you know that when a rule change is coming, or anything relating to F1, it will be to cater to those 80%.

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Is it not better to cater to 80% of your audience than to 20%...

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Here is the sad thing, F1 wants to cater to those 80%, not the 20% of diehards.

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So you consider it good sense for a business to cater for 20 per cent of its consumers rather than 80 per cent?

Actually, F1 is not catering to any portion of the general public as to the subject matter of this thread. While I was sort of joking about Ioan, truth is I remember a similar comment from him about this issue regarding sponsor's names and space on the bodies of cars

Take a good look at the livery of these cars. Imagine readable numbers on the nose and sides of the cars as per the good ole days.

Where would all the ads be in such a case?

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Wouldhttp://atlasf1.autosport.com/news/1999/images/bar3.jpg

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All of you are running off at the mouth without thinking about the people who are really important: sponsors.......

20 percent or 80 percent....you should be glad that after every race when they ask the winner how things went, you do not get something like:

" Bank of America great services sexier tellers, Trojan slip on easy but never slip off at the wrong moment, Viagra get it up and play all nite, Charming Toilet Paper for when your butt needs a soft rub, Fiat 500 special ran like a sweet drink of Nestea Thirst quincher"





(and because Kimi the Mumbler, sooner or later, will win one and only one NASCAR race, because when he tries to mumble through his victory speech, he will be without any ride in NASCAR, cause all the sponsors will cancel him out on the following Monday)

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Actually, F1 is not catering to any portion of the general public as to the subject matter of this thread. While I was sort of joking about Ioan, truth is I remember a similar comment from him about this issue regarding sponsor's names and space on the bodies of cars

Take a good look at the livery of these cars. Imagine readable numbers on the nose and sides of the cars as per the good ole days.

Where would all the ads be in such a case?

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I must admit, I agree with you. I simply don't think that visible numbers and modern-day open-wheel racing are truly compatible.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So you consider it good sense for a business to cater for 20 per cent of its consumers rather than 80 per cent?

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Unfortunately no.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Where would all the ads be in such a case?

All of you are running off at the mouth without thinking about the people who are really important: sponsors.......

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Thats not how sponsorship works though, if there are large numbers taking sponsorship space off the nose and sidepods (as an example) the remaining sponsorship space will merely get more expensive. All the teams would have the same reduction in sponsorship space so no single team would be handicapped or favoured. The teams will receive the same funds since sponsorship budgets and fees are not decided merely on how much space on the car they take up.

Take NASCAR as an example. The numbers take up most of the doors and roof, on some cars the bonnet too. All that does is affect the way the teams move the sponsor logos around the car but it doesn't affect their income.

Alternatively the introduction of fins on the engine cover has massively increased the amount of logo-space on the cars available yet that hasn't affected the sponsorship each team gets one bit.

NASCAR stockers got a lot more space. MUCH

Plus NASCAR has always wanted the fans to have a good time, be they sober or otherwise.

Imagine F1 drivers being required to do meet and greet the average fans at an F1 race........haha