Pirelli

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

re-fuelling was the artificial element here - and admittedly a sterling drive from Mike.

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Exactly!
Also the Pirelli tires have a drop of in performance that would not allow qualifying stints of 16 laps, maximum 2 laps if lucky!

Back in the day it wasn't artificial as you couldn't make a tyre that would maintain top performance over a GP distance, now you pretty much can.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

It is not what they are asked for on the road , so your second paragraph seems completely irrelevent .

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To be credible in todays ultra sensitive and scrutinised society, there needs to be some form of relevance and transference for the benefit of such a society.

We now have a genuine green direction with the upcoming 2013 regs, KERS and the relevance of such for hybrids and electric vehicles. Why overlook the biggest single element that can affect performance and its relevance to the 'real world' - tyres?

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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

That is exactly how I see it. It's the one gimmick Bernie slid through under the radar. If Perelli wanted to produce the same compounds that the "stones" did last year it would be a hell of a lot easier than what Bernie has asked them to do this season. Plus I have not heard a single team complaining about blisters and graining
:s ailor: Then again they may wear out too fast for those problems.

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Errrrrrr, teams wont complain as the Pirelli deal was, conveniently, the cheapest for the teams. Rarely, in my experience, does the cheapest equal the best.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

re-fuelling was the artificial element here - and admittedly a sterling drive from Mike.

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Why was it artificial? Was re-fueling imposed by the rules?

From FOTA chair Whitmarsh :
"Bridgestone were always a great partner, but from my position at FOTA I have heard several times in recent years pressure for tyres with more risk," he added. "But now we publicly criticise the degradation of these tyres. The job of tyre supplier is a thankless one, as the higher wear is a feature that was requested to make the show better."

Right now the tire wear isn't only higher it is extreme.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Right now the tire wear isn't only higher it is extreme.

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Don't mind them buddy. They quote nobodies like Withmarsh because there are bitter and desperate. They just don't get it's not high but extreme. I am however relieved it's not extremer or the extremest. What would we have done then?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Errrrrrr, teams wont complain as the Pirelli deal was, conveniently, the cheapest for the teams. Rarely, in my experience, does the cheapest equal the best.

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I think the teams if consulted they would be more discriminate. The whole Circus is bul**** and smoke and mirrors. If the promoters took a reasonable cut say 15% not only would the teams take a deeper interest, they would get the sport/competition right. Then again what is the fun if the best team gets it right? Every time a team dominates for 3 or4 years Bernie starts screaming the sky is falling we have to change everything for some bull **** reason. But back on topic if Pirelli produces the type of garbage that it appears they may that is Bernie fault

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Originally Posted by eu

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Don't mind them buddy. They quote nobodies like Withmarsh because there are bitter and desperate. They just don't get it's not high but extreme. I am however relieved it's not extremer or the extremest. What would we have done then?

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I quoted Whitmarsh , as it is rather relevent to have an opinion from FOTA .

I have seen the "super-marble" picture circulated , and I understand there is even some talk of it even being dangerous for those in the stands and marshalling as these marbles are very large and at F1 speeds are going long distances , not just staying on the track surface , creating traction issues .

Manufacturing a tire to last a finite distance is always going to be harder than making it last as long as possible .
They need only to find that balance , and I am confident they will .

By the way , did I sound too bitter or desperate in this post ?