Lotus-Renault V Team Lotus

What was wrong with Renault as a brand? nothing, except that Renault no longer OWNS the Enstone based racing team. Genii Captal and <Group> Lotus Cars now owns the Enstone team, which will continue to be powered by what are essentially customer Renault Engines, as the original Lotus team also did for several years, It is now Lotus, not Renault. Renault no longer owns a F1 racing team. They could just as well call the team Toleman or Benetton, and in reality, could be powered by Ferrari or Mercedes or Cosworth engines in the future.

I still don't feel The IP Fernandes owns is worth a snip. Group Lotus has been participating via sponsorship in Indycar this past season as Team Lotus, in the same Team Lotus BRG and yellow as Fernandes F1 team did and will be (if all goes as planned) participating as a manufacturer in 2012.They also presented cars in black and gold and all yellow liveries similar to other former lotus F1 team colors. Fernandes has a nice race team that will be buying the same Renault customer racing engines.

The difference between the two is one group actually owns a car company called LOTUS, and the other owns a racing team officially known to the FIA and F1 as "Lotus Racing".

Proton/Group lotus are behaving like a bunch of ninnies, but IMHO, they should have the right to race under their company name as a true automobile manufacturer.

http://paultan.org/2010/12/09/team-l...ult-formation/
1/2 of what you read is bull and the other 1/2 is s**t

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Group Lotus boss Dany Bahar isn’t wishing for his opponents to fade away. He told BBC Radio Norfolk: “Not at all (a problem) – for me, four (cars on the grid) are better than two. The controversy, that is something that has mainly been pushed up by media I would say, has been dealt with directly by our shareholders in Malaysia and with the owners of the 1Malaysia Racing Team and doesn’t really touch us.
“However, my personal opinion is that four Lotus brands out there is better than two. I have nothing against that.”

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Originally Posted by yodasarmpit

Lotus Renault GP are surely the more legitimate team due to the fact that they are partly owned by Lotus Cars (Proton) and Genii, where as Team Lotus just bought the rights to use the name from David Hunt who had bought the rights in the 90's.

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Colin Chapman ran Lotus Cars and Team Lotus seperately but they were under the umbrella of a company he owned.

Team Lotus shut its doors in 1994 but David Hunt became the owner of what was left, which essentially was debt and a name.

Lotus Cars has been owned by a number of different companies.

All that remains of the team that Chapman started is the name. There is no team. What the two parties are arguing about is a brand not an F1 racing team.

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

how can that be so when Lotus Cars was also bought from Hunt ?

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Naming rights associated with motorsport...not a company, not a legal entity. A legal right to use a name, for a year. There's a very drastic difference one apparently Fernandes and Co don't seem to appreciate.

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

how can that be so when Lotus Cars was also bought from Hunt ?

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Peter Collins and Peter Wright took over 'Team Lotus' from the Chapman family in December 1990. The team went into administration immediately after the 1994 Italian GP and David Hunt then purchased it in October that year.

David Hunt has never owned Lotus Cars.

Now it's official that it will be 2 Lotus on the grid next season.
Kinda get me by surprise there.
Both of it will use Renault engine and i can confirm you that the Lotus Renault will be more powerful than the Team Lotus.
I'm also happy that there're 2 but...something annoy me a little.
Sure, Lotus is combine with Renault team but WHY DOES IT HAS TO BE ON BLACK AND GOLD LIVERLY? It can go on with yellow or that green liverly.

Team Lotus even have mad a contest for that liverly design for their own team.
Now those copycat stole their idea. Yeah, i'm sad this things happen but well, what can i say more, this is Formula One. :(

Perhaps Gascoigne's bunch should seek to rename themselves BRM or Connaught perhaps!?

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

Group Lotus has been participating via sponsorship in Indycar this past season as Team Lotus, in the same Team Lotus BRG and yellow as Fernandes F1 team did and will be (if all goes as planned) participating as a manufacturer in 2012.

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I thought the team was still KVRT? Certainly confusing to have Group Lotus using the colours in Indycar and Team Lotus using them in F1. Quite what happens when they start doing the aero package is anyone's guess. There's also the whole GP2 thing to consider, as I thought both Lotuses (Lotii?) were also going to be involved in that?

Renault must be loving it - they still get the gig as engine supplier, and every article makes use of the word Renault about five times.

Interesting words from Lotus CEO Dany Bahar in connection with their Renault team ownership:

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"Our way of doing things means that at the end of the project we would like to control it ourselves."

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Was their decision to end the arrangement with Tony Fernandes an attempt to "control it" themselves? By doing so perhaps they thought they alone would be Lotus in F1, but Fernandes's deal with David Hunt scuppered that plan so now Bahar claims that "four Lotus brands out there is better than two".

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Well it is...if either does well people hear "lotus" and the road manufacturer benefits. I think Bahar's been pretty clever in buying into an estbalished team, one where the owner wanted a way out but without losing face. So now they get decent engines, and a great platform to participate in F1.