Who will be Champion ?

I think it is between red bull and ferrari - if one of these drivers win spa and monza it is over.

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Originally Posted by henners88

So do you understand the technical structure of Mclaren abit better now from my previous post, or is there another reason why you have conveniently side stepped it? :eek:

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There you go: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&r...w=1920&bih=854

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

There should not be ANY Mclaren driver included as likely to win the WDC this year. To have Hamilton ahead of Alonso AND Vettel is just ridiculous.

Underestimate the German driver at your peril. Sure he has gone through something of torrid period but remember also that this the same driver that beat a Mclaren in a Toro Rosso in the most incredible wet weather performance we have seen for a very long time.

Secondly, he is in a team that does not exactly guide its drivers as did Mclaren with the for years coddled Granadian-English driver Hamilton.

I expect Vettel to return in part 3 of teh season and to circuits he loves such as Monza and Suzuka refreshed and as the quickest driver in f1 these days who will win more than his current SEVEN pole positions and not make similar errors he has done.

The champion will be Vettel or Webber or Alonso but, anyone belieiving that Hamilton will win this year is merely continuing idiocy that people have over Hamilton: being besotted by him. Get a grip on reality!

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You demonstrate time and time again that you have no consideration or respect for others opinion so why should anyone respect yours?

These crappy McLarens, which were over half a second off the pace at the last race, are 2 and 4 in the championship. This Hamilton that everyone is "besotted" by, is 4 points off the championship lead.

Yes, Vettel should be miles ahead in the championship but he and Red Bull have been atrocious this year in converting potential to results whereas Lewis has driven way past the ability of the car. You had better pray that McLaren don't close the gap to the Bulls during the Summer.

I think you need to get a grip on reality and a sense of respect for others opinions.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Granadian-English driver Hamilton

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Sorry to be so picky StD, but Hamilton's grandparents came from Grenada, not Granada. The two places are thousands of miles apart.

and to be even pickier, if we're classified by our ancestors' nationalities there's very few people who can call themselves pure English :D

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Originally Posted by skc

Yes, Vettel should be miles ahead in the championship but he and Red Bull have been atrocious this year in converting potential to results whereas Lewis has driven way past the ability of the car. You had better pray that McLaren don't close the gap to the Bulls during the Summer.

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Fully agree. I really can't see how McLaren will claw back a second a lap, especially with no track time

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

The champion will be Vettel or Webber or Alonso but, anyone belieiving that Hamilton will win this year is merely continuing idiocy that people have over Hamilton: being besotted by him. Get a grip on reality!

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You talk like you already know the future. You do realize that the Mclaren was never the clearly fastest car for the whole of this season, yet Lewis lies second in the championship only 4 points adrift. What does that tell you?

How do you know for sure Mclaren are not going to sort out the flexible front wing and blown diffuser? How do you know Red Bull and especially their two drivers are not going to cock-up again this season?

Nice post Henners but feel you're wasting your time composing such a reasoned and articulate post to STD's pompous, arrogant and quite frankly nauseating fustian claptrap.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I don't know whether to be slightly angry with this post of laugh at the shocking levels of double standards and inconsistencies. Firstly Vettel's journey to F1 was not too dis-similar to that of Lewis Hamilton. If we push aside Vettel's wealthy upbringing in comparison to Lewis, and the fact his family are close friends with that of the Schumacher's, we are left with two drivers who were spotted at an early age, funded, and nurtured in a driver development programme which ultimately gave them a drive in a top team.

There is absolutely no way you can tell who is the quickest driver out of the two because neither have ever been sat in the same machinery. Saying Vettel is the fastest based on this season would be like claiming Lewis was faster than Vettel in 2008 lol. Of course he was, because his car back then was superior much like the RB6 is this season. Vettel has shown to be matched on pace with Webber and has only claimed 2 victories out of a possible 7. The kid is still learning and displays much of the naivity and arrogance Lewis had when he entered F1, but a complete driver he is not. He may well win the title this year but lets not forget Lewis is 4 points adrift in second place and alot can happen in 4 weeks. If Mclaren were to come back and have closed the gap, a driver like Lewis has proven he can get the best out of the car and your hilarious claim above may well come back to haunt you.

Finally, criticizing forumers on here for being 'besotted' or showing support for their favourite driver is particularly amusing for me when I think back to the over the top, sickly, and frankly rather creepy posts you made about Jenson for the last part of the 2009 season on this very forum lol. It doesn't bear thinking about and I'm sure others here will agree. :p

If Mclaren sort their act out over the next few weeks, I have faith Lewis will cause considerable damage to the WDC race and even clinch it. If a Red Bull driver has to win it this year I think Webber deserves it for his noble effort through some dark times of team favouritism, and their (Marko's) public blaming fest after the Turkey disaster. Webber got his own back on that one after Silverstone as we all know. Alonso may also be a strong candidate for the title and if Ferrari come through the FIA scruntineering and Massa hands him a few more positions, he has as much chance as the other three IMO. :)

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You are just sore because no matter what you will find a reason why Hamilton should have won, ought to have won and is surely the quckest and the best ad nauseum. NO MATTER WHAT!

I support Jense, but I do not pretend,

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Originally Posted by AndyL

Sorry to be so picky StD, but Hamilton's grandparents came from Grenada, not Granada. The two places are thousands of miles apart.

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GrEnada not GrAnada :D