some strong words from randy

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Somehow Randy has instinctively understood this, and he is looking to change the "channel"...or at least dump the IRL moniker....

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Randy needs to quit listening to all these CART loving shills that have his ear.

There was no need to disparage the IRL and its fans, with the comments he made. It was a stupid can of worms to open and a stupid time of the year to open them.

There are plenty of folks (some of whom are for some reason still sorta interested in his series) that supported THE IRL, long before Rodeo Randy took this gig. Supported it when many of "our" fans now, thumbed their noses at the league and everything it stood for. So what does Randy do now? Basically tells those folks to go fly a kite.

He stepped on his youknowhat, with those comments.

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Originally Posted by Scotty G.

Randy needs to quit listening to all these CART loving shills that have his ear.

There was no need to disparage the IRL and its fans, with the comments he made. It was a stupid can of worms to open and a stupid time of the year to open them.

There are plenty of folks (some of whom are for some reason still sorta interested in his series) that supported THE IRL, long before Rodeo Randy took this gig. Supported it when many of "our" fans now, thumbed their noses at the league and everything it stood for. So what does Randy do now? Basically tells those folks to go fly a kite.

He stepped on his youknowhat, with those comments.

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Maybe...but half the fans agree with him too. Again, in this series, you have people trying to drive a wedge into the series....

I don't really give a damn whether he changes the name or not, but to the casual fan who wasn't watching the IRL the last 15 years....maybe this changes the perception.

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Originally Posted by ChicagocrewIRL

FACT: CART teams returned to Indy to do one-offs because their sponsors wanted them to do so. See Phillip Morris, see Target... etc etc

FACT: Honda and Toyota switched over to the IRL why ? Because of Indianapolis.

FACT: When these teams and engine manufacturers switched over, CART was basically emasculated.

Please go on and tell me that these are not facts. Yeah that's right . UH huh .

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Fact - CART remained the dominant series till it screwed itself
Fact - tony georges insane spending was the only reason the IRL lasted longer than moments
Fact - With indy and all the cart stars and Teams - the IRL was an utter an total failure which has all but killed the gold laying goose.
Have you noticed that with some decent varied cars indycar will be conceptually CART? Not the IRL?

If you're an original fan of the IRL shouldn't you be heading over to NASCAR now? Your saviour has miserably failed thrown another tanti and run away - your americans and all ovals is long gone. Why would you stay around this series?

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Originally Posted by Scotty G.

Randy needs to quit listening to all these CART loving shills that have his ear.

There was no need to disparage the IRL and its fans, with the comments he made. It was a stupid can of worms to open and a stupid time of the year to open them.

There are plenty of folks (some of whom are for some reason still sorta interested in his series) that supported THE IRL, long before Rodeo Randy took this gig. Supported it when many of "our" fans now, thumbed their noses at the league and everything it stood for. So what does Randy do now? Basically tells those folks to go fly a kite.

He stepped on his youknowhat, with those comments.

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See TV ratings 95 vs TV ratings 2009. If he gained 1/2 of what was lost since 95 at the cost of all he had in 2009,it's a massive gain. Something vs next to nothing usually is.

I just don't get it. Doesn't matter how low this sport goes, people keep trying to tell me how great it was when Tony was in charge, and somehow Randy is driving the bus of the ledge. My god, the bus went off years ago...

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I just don't get it. Doesn't matter how low this sport goes, people keep trying to tell me how great it was when Tony was in charge, and somehow Randy is driving the bus of the ledge. My god, the bus went off years ago...

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I hate to prolong this IRL vs CART crap. But the CART guys drove their bus off the ledge years before the IRL as well. Then the ChampCar guys drove their bus off the ledge a couple years later than that, but still before the IRL. And that was with 3 guys spending a fortune on their stuff too, the very thing that TG is being blasted for now.

Why can't we all just lay off of TG, or at least include the Amigos in the same breath? If we can ALL realize that EVERYONE who has been in a leadership position for the last 20 years was/is crap, we can possibly move forward.

I don't care who you think started it all. Some would say it was TG and his arrogance. Others would say it was the CART board and their arrogance for not just giving TG the seat he wanted. IT DOESN'T MATTER NOW!

We can keep going over and over these same arguments for years upon years. But what will that accomplish? NOTHING! We've been doing it for years and it hasn't moved anything forward. So stop it right now.

Bye. I am gone.
Carry on with the stupid arguing over the past.
I will stick to F1 and Chit Chat.
You may not care but I suspect others besides me are fed up.
Starter already closed one thread over the constant ----- bickering.

Here's a simple modern day test to check the "IRL" brand out. Go to your address bar and type IRL.com. Don't know what the hell that means but if you type in Indycar.com you'll end up right where you want to be.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

And the series was NEVER refered to as USAC or CART by the general public. Most called it IndyCar.

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Very true. When I was a teenager back in Chicago during the 80's and Danny Sullivan won the 500 after spinning out a group of us were sitting around the next day "bench racing" and one of the guys asked if we had seen "that dude" spin out and win in the Indycar race the day before....not CART race, Indycar race.

If you had asked any of us back then what CART stood for we would have answered those things our moms put the groceries in at the store.

See, in NASCAR, there is NO mistaking who the sanctioning body is. Yeah, we call them Cup cars if differentiating between the series, or stock cars when generalizing the "type" of race car, but the word NASCAR is in the offical name of the series and appears FIRST: NASCAR Sprint Cup Series or NASCAR Camping World Truck Series. Because of that, even though it was a big deal when Winston stopped sponsering the top series and Sprint/Nextel picked it up, there was still no mistaking that a) it was still a Nascar race, and B) it was still the top rung for stock car racing in the good ole US of A

But, what we now call the Izod IndyCar Series (Nee IRL) has been sanctioned by so many different bodies over the years, and having do deal with being the "splinter" series that shattered american open wheel racing that its having an identity crisis is very understandable, in my veiw.

In my simple mind there are only 6 types of race cars.

1) Stock Cars
2) Indy Cars
3) Formula Cars
4) Prototypes
5) GT Cars
6) Dragsters

Now there maybe many many subsets that fit within those 6 like Formula 1 and GP2 cars in #3, or Daytona Prototypes or LMP cars in number 4, but to people like my 76 year old mom or my 10 year old son those 6 catagories pretty much sum it all up and she/he will know roughly what I am talking about when I talk about a race or a crash or something.

Its really all just a name, and all of it comes back to two words: auto racing.

I love them all, as long as it has 4 wheels, a loud engine, and hauls the mail when the loud pedal is pressed, I'm all for it :up:

Can't we just get back to racing and stop arguing about the past?

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Originally Posted by Starter

Easy Drifter has a point. This is the month of May when American OW fans of all kinds should be in their glory. So here's the deal until June -- if you want to bash the IRL or Tony then head on over to CCF. If you want to bash CART or CC or the Amigos then spend your time at TF. If you decide to do it here, you will be on vacation from this forum until, at least, after the I500. No exceptions. Any questions?

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I get the IRLvCART thing

but seriously... no Tony bashing.... I thought after getting fired by his sisters he was fair game 24/7/365