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Remember I started the thread before Obama had done anything. My main point was he was getting an easy ride from the media.
Both have now changed. He is now acting and he is getting blasted for being slow off the mark.
What is now needed is one person or team in total charge and co-ordinating all efforts, both the capping and the clean up, not a half dozen different groups all doing their own thing.
Hopefully Obama can ensure that happens.
I wish I had never started this thread!
Guys...quit personal comments/insults and keep it on topic !
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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
You make me laugh.
This accident is a consequence of human mistakes while Katrina was a natural disaster that no one could control no matter how much would have tried. Still you somehow come to the conclusion that Bush has done worse than Obama.
What did the US government to minimize or even contain the oil that is flowing into the ocean? Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
FYI once the situation degrades behind a certain limit and starts threatening like in this case the problem needs to be handled by the government in the best interest of everyone.
I am not a republican, nor a democrat but I have to say that the way you see things is unacceptable and irresponsible.
So Bush stayed mute after a natural disaster that no one could control, Obama is making a lot of noise about the scale of a man provoked disaster that could be contained if only he would stop talking and start thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Tell me again how on Earth can you be so blind and deaf, and devoid of any logic and common sense?
Any catastrophe of this scale is already his responsibility, no matter how you look at it. The worst part is that he goes on to lay the blame to others feet but then that's it, game over, a total lack of leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
This is a very interesting subject. Drifter, you created a great thread my friend, because it involves debate, which is always interesting.
The reality of it is...Sh!t happens. Even with all the strigent safety regs and procedures the government mandates the oil companies to have, on occasion things happen. We don't know what exactly happened yet, and why the blowout preventer didn't hold the oil but we have a disaster on our hands.
It isn't Obama's job to yell at BP, point fingers, or use this as a platform to demonize big oil, but I suspect that is coming in a round a bout fashion.
IT is BP's job to do whatever they can while asking for help. The US Army Corp of Engineers and the Coast Guard, along with FEMA would be the gov't agencies involved, but unlike the quiet waters of the sound outside of Valdez, waves and currents here are really making a mess that no boom or effort could really contain.
I just know it is a bit of a stretch to think Obama COULD have done really that much other than order agencies of the Federal Gov't in. The thing is, this mess started on the 23rd of April. It is only NOW the press is getting on Obama's case. about 12 hours after Katrina the press was all over Bush because New Orleans wasn't prepared. Then they were all over him for not going right down there to survey the situation, but rather viewing from the air as he flew over on his way to San Diego. Then they were all over him when he DID get there. Then they were all over him for weeks after. In short....he could do no right in those weeks...and the sad reality of it was, he is the last link in the chain. Everyone else had to drop the ball first to make the mess that was the aftermath of Katrina, and the other states have pretty much fixed everything up and moved on. It is still only New Orleans that bears the scars and THAT is because of the local gov't and how dysfunctional they still are.
In direct comparision to Katrina, Obama has no state or local gov't he can really blame, just BP. That said, pointing fingers wont clean this up. Sometimes, there is no bad guy..and I think this is one of those cases, but the way the press and (Bill Maher was right for a change) the world has kind of given Obama a free pass from criticism is a contrast to the heat Dubya took for Katrina. Neither disaster was their doing, and neither one can be solved by the President, but is is a curious thing to see how the world reacts.
I understand that the "funnels" are nearly complete and should be lowered to the leak by the weekend so at least the flow of new oil might be halted.
I don't think you read my response well at all. People were starting to draw parallels between the matters of Katrina and the BP disaster. I just thought it was a bit of a stretch trying to compare two events that were mutually exclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The Federal government has stepped in and is doing its share, along with BP, to contain the oil hazard. The actions being taken would fall under your category of "responsible". I doubt you've read the news lately (and are now opening Google to see the latest news on the spill) because then you would know that the oil spill coming from the sunken rig has 1 of 3 leaks clamped shut.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I'm not blind, deaf, devoid of logic and have plenty of common sense. As I mentioned earlier there isn't any magical trick that's going to solve this disaster, only sheer grit. An oil spill may not be unprecedented, but one of this magnitude is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
If you can't take the heat....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Great article. Also demonstrates how difficult and unique the BP oil spill is in comparison to other oil spills.Quote:
We are dealing in a battle space with no human access. In fact, I call it ‘inner space.’ It’s more like Apollo 13 than the Exxon Valdez because we’re seeing everything with remotely operated vehicles.