Shane Hmiel

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

I know this is the IRL forum. But while we're on the topic, what has become of the Geico Caveman, J.C. France? Now, his case I see differently. He was busted with coke in his car (Lamorghini?) and/or on his person, and he was drunk and high as a kite apparently... all while street racing. So if NASCAR/Grand Am chooses to ban him for 1000 years, so be it. But I think it's pretty interesting how that story has quietly gone away. Not that he could drive anything more than a nail into a soft piece of pine, if that, but still...

But ol' Shane wants to race a formula car like I want a one night stand with Ivanka Trump. I doubt either of us gets our wish. Although if she ever got drunk enough and I was wearing some of that High Karate cologne, ya shouldn't count me completely out! :bounce:

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JC wasn't good enough to drive nails through soft pine. Of course it went away, France's have tons of money to buy silence, and the power of NASCAR to keep it that way.

AS for you and Ivanka, I did hear the rumour you were ugly enough that you couldn't get any action in a women's prison with a fist full of pardon's....or maybe I was wrong.....mmmmm I must get back to you on where I heard that rumour.....

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

JC wasn't good enough to drive nails through soft pine. Of course it went away, France's have tons of money to buy silence, and the power of NASCAR to keep it that way.

AS for you and Ivanka, I did hear the rumour you were ugly enough that you couldn't get any action in a women's prison with a fist full of pardon's....or maybe I was wrong.....mmmmm I must get back to you on where I heard that rumour.....

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Whatchoo talkin' about, Willis? I'm a handsome fellow... my mother says so! Who are you gonna believe, a whole bunch of ex-girlfriends or my sainted mother... who I'm sure has never even stretched the truth?

But now, pretty boy though I ain't, compared to J.C. ("Just Cocaine"?) France, I think he'd win the Beat With an Ugly Stick contest over me.
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Also, I walk upright. Only thing not in my favor (which is a lot, I guess) is I don't have a Lambo, a rich daddy and I don't carry a gram of coke in my pocket where ever I go. Plus he's darn funny in those Geico commercials. "Snorting blow... so easy even a caveman can do it." :D

IMO, THAT^^^ up there is definitely the guy that you NEVER want to even see at an IRL race. Don't even let that boy buy a ticket.

And now that I think about it... wasn't there a guy running the IRL (founded it, in fact) who was said to have something of a taste for a white powdery (illicit) substance? I wish Shane well. Don't know him at all. But if guy can get himself together (and be humbled by his past - unlike Junior France or T.G.), best of luck on the return trip. :up:

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Originally Posted by Lousada

He was never charged. I don't think law enforcement can do anything as long as he doesn't make an accident?? A drugtest takes a few weeks to do, so the result will be known some time after the facts. Is a third party drug test even allowed as evidence? Would be hard to get proper criminal evidence weeks after the fact.
According to WADA cocaine is only a banned substance if taken during a race. Since he was caught during a raceweekend, I take it Nascars policy is the same?


I agree with you there. I don't see much difference between a joint and alcohol. Cocaine is a bit more serious though.



Yes, you are right. My point is that Hmiel got busted during a raceweekend. It's not really clear to me if he was actually high or not, but I assume he was, since they busted him. If he takes a Bud or smokes a joint after the race... I really couldn't care less about that.



And that's the biggest truth in this thread ;)

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Actually, Law enforcement can arrest you DWI for merely sitting in your car with the keys in the ignition if you fail the legal BAC. I know several people that has happened to sitting in a car warming it up in the bar parking lot without even moving the car. Now would or could they do anything in connection with a race on a closed circuit, on private property, in a privately sanctioned event? That varies greatly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

Personally, I could care less if they allow Shane Hmiel to drive or not. There are perfectly clean and sober drivers that couldn't drive a car through an automatic car wash that have been allowed to drive Indycars and have been far more hazardous to other drivers on track than Hmeil has ever been proven to have been.

My wife and I had a similar discussion about good ol Tiger this afternoon. IMHO, no one should be looking up to sports figures and their personal lives as role models in the first place.

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

IMHO, no one should be looking up to sports figures and their personal lives as role models in the first place.

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+1 :up:

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

Personally, I could care less if they allow Shane Hmiel to drive or not. There are perfectly clean and sober drivers that couldn't drive a car through an automatic car wash that have been allowed to drive Indycars and have been far more hazardous to other drivers on track than Hmeil has ever been proven to have been.

My wife and I had a similar discussion about good ol Tiger this afternoon. IMHO, no one should be looking up to sports figures and their personal lives as role models in the first place.

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Here here....I cant disagree. Especially on the last paragraph. I am disappointed in Tiger because I bought into the myth he was a family guy. Now I know different, I can still admire the way he hits a golf ball. I just think he is a bit of jerk now.

AS for Shane, well I usually have no time for druggies, but the guy has cleaned up and has stayed that way while driving in USAC. As you point out Nige, he cannot do any worse damage if he WAS on drugs behind the wheel then some of the headcases Indy has seen.

AS for you assertion Jag that Tony George was a coke head once upon a time, I wouldn't say that, but it would explain a lot wouldn't it?

my only memory of shane was at a monday race at the rock(whatever that support series is called these days) and Mike Wallace confronting him after a wreck and shane cowering from wallace. Some interesting four letters words were heard from mike that day that were censored out on replay but he managed go get a healthy fine for it anyways.. I still remember the image of a scared driver at that moment, not something I would want to see in IRl anymore then seein a.j. cry again.

For certain high-profile races, drivers must have an FIA licence. NASCAR can prohibit Hmiel from an IRL licence because NASCAR is a member of ACCUS, which governms who may hold an FIA licence. The IRL may use NASCAR's suspension beause both are ACCUS members, and Hmiel would need a NASCAR reinstatement to get an IRL and FIA licence.

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Originally Posted by BobbyC

For certain high-profile races, drivers must have an FIA licence. NASCAR can prohibit Hmiel from an IRL licence because NASCAR is a member of ACCUS, which governms who may hold an FIA licence. The IRL may use NASCAR's suspension beause both are ACCUS members, and Hmiel would need a NASCAR reinstatement to get an IRL and FIA licence.

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Bobby, They haven't stopped him from running in USAC. I doubt highly they would do it in the IRL either.

Yes they are, according to the web site.
I do think if the Taxi Cabs tried to stop him racing in another series there would be a danger of law suits under both Human Rights and Restraint of Trade. He only broke NASCAR's drug policy not US law as far as I know. They would be on extremely thin ground to try and force their rules on another series.
As far as I know IC does not have a drug policy, or at least we never hear about it.