Jarno Trulli to NASCAR

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9th October 2009, 13:24
wedge

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Originally Posted by Bezza

He won't add to his single victory. Appalling record really when you consider the cars he has had at his disposal.

He managed to beat Alonso on merit and gave Renault its only win in 2004 at Monaco.

And when was Trulli ever in a top car that could fight for a championship?
9th October 2009, 13:57
Steve2009

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Originally Posted by wedge

He managed to beat Alonso on merit and gave Renault its only win in 2004 at Monaco.

And when was Trulli ever in a top car that could fight for a championship?

Jarno could do NASCAR if he really applied himself.
The qustion is:
Does he want to come to the states and invest 3 to 5 years to the decipline?
I think not, but I for one would welcome him if he did!
9th October 2009, 14:20
Bezza

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Originally Posted by wedge

He managed to beat Alonso on merit and gave Renault its only win in 2004 at Monaco.

And when was Trulli ever in a top car that could fight for a championship?

I'd say in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2009 he has had race-winning cars and race-winning opportunities, yet has just not been quick enough or ruthless enough to take advantage.

He outpaced Alonso in about three races during 2004, one of which happened to be Monaco which he managed to win - and he drove well in that race.
9th October 2009, 15:19
wedge

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Originally Posted by Bezza

I'd say in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2009 he has had race-winning cars and race-winning opportunities, yet has just not been quick enough or ruthless enough to take advantage.

You're asking a lot because Trulli is nothing something.

Bahrain this year Toyota gave Trulli a crap strategy.

Renault in 03/04 were on the periphery of the best team/car and will take a great driver to consistently outdrive the car.

When were Toyota ever in contention for a win in 2005? They were strong points finishers.
9th October 2009, 16:33
Bezza

The 2005 Toyota was capable of more, Trulli doesn't have the ability to go the extra step to victory. Neither really did Ralf Schumacher. With better driver choices, Toyota would have a few wins by now easily.
9th October 2009, 17:06
wedge

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Originally Posted by Bezza

The 2005 Toyota was capable of more

How so?

Alonso was peaking as a driver, McLaren turned into the dominant car.

If we agree that Toyota had no special driver, Trulli is nothing special then surely a driver who at least deserved to win a race and yet never drove for a top team is not an "apalling record"? By that definition then surely, for example, Jean Alesi had apalling record with the cars he had driven?
9th October 2009, 18:16
jens

Unlike drivers like Coulthard, Barrichello, Fisichella, even Ralf, etc, Trulli has never had a car of challenging for the championship. If those mentioned guys have managed to win as many races as they did, surely Trulli would have achieved at least the same with similar career opportunities. If anything, Trulli has never got a proper chance.

And Mr Bezza, the talk about 2005 "car capabilities and wins" seems more like your gut feeling rather than anything being based on evidence, I'm afraid. With such logic it's possible to criticize almost anyone, for instance like by saying that RBR had never won before this season and BMW-Sauber and BAR/Honda got only one (lucky) win due to crappy drivers.
10th October 2009, 00:34
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm surprised more people on here don't share your view with this being an F1 :p :

I find people on forums regularly make this statement when they do not understand the complexities of F1. You basically have to do you homework before watching a race to understand the changes in technology. F1 races on some of the most exciting tracks in the world and reaches a much larger audience, and if you don't find it exciting, then stick to what you know best. :)

I have to do my homework to watch f1? Good lord, I can watch and see how great it is that the f1 machines can stop, go and turn that fast but after 10 mins, if they don't pass each other it isn't racing. Most exciting tracks in the world? Maybe I will agree there, and I agree the tech is wonderful stuff, but I watch way more F1 qualifying than the actual races because at least the leaderboard for fastest laps changes. The running order in a GP only seems to change if someone muff's a pitstop. NASCAR is RACING. One car passing another, with 43 in the field all passing and repassing each other. Maybe ole Jarno misses actually RACING someone?

I don't Truilli is coming to NASCAR, but JPM caused a seismic shift in how NASCAR is perceived and if Jarno thinks he wants to try NASCAR on for size, he will find a more humbling racing culture to adapt to. He will have to sign autographs, not treat the press like crap, accept he has to race EVERY weekend, accept that the guys on the team work better when you don't treat them as invisible, and will have to earn everything he gets on the track, because there are no team orders, and there are no easy races or positions. Also, Turning left all day isn't what it seems once you start seeing the nuances of it.

I think most f1 fans are puzzled by the sudden interest by F1 drivers in NASCAR, but for me I think they have woken up to the fact it is a challenge that is partially there for any of them to do that will push them for one, and for two, is not tied to what team's 500 million dollar budget was spent best. In NASCAR, having a good ride doesn't guarntee you much, but being a good communicator with a team, and learning the nuances of stock racing means you determine your fate, not the team princpal or the car. 43 cars start races in the Sprint Cup every weekend, about 25 of them are capable of winning......you don't see that in f1.
10th October 2009, 03:24
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by jens

NASCAR is completely different to F1, so there is no point to compare F1 results and make predictions about future performances.

But generally I'm wondering, what is it so attractive about NASCAR that several drivers with F1 background are going to test there - also Salo and Piquet Jr. It looks like NASCAR is pushing hard to attract well-known names from other continents to make the series more attractive world-wide.

Personally, if Trulli happens to leave F1, I'd prefer to see him in some other series than NASCAR - like DTM or something. ;)

Its because everybody in European or British racing knows how bad they are.

If Trulli thinks that the good ole boys will take kindly to some skinny furriner with an accent more familiar in NYC than Charlotte - he is in for a rude awakening.
10th October 2009, 04:08
Steve2009

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Maybe ole Jarno misses actually RACING someone?

Ha Ha Good one!!!
The rest of your post = Top Shelf! :up: :s mokin:
Jarno out to have a little fun, and we have
forum members fighting over what it means :laugh:
:rotflmao:

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