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19th September 2009, 05:05
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Every indication seems to be that Iran isn't a threat. And say what you like, but Russia's military capabilities are seriously lacking. The country's long-distance missile forces are not a patch on those of the US, and its air arms are in a parlous state; for instance, its strategic bombers are able to conduct missions for show when it suits the country's aims but little else. Make no mistake, Russia's armed forces are no match for those of the US, and add in the rest of NATO and it would have no ability to sustain operations against allied forces. There is little sign of this changing at present, no matter what wealth Russia may possess.

Would you want to be President and be WRONG on that assessment? THat is the issue any American leader must assess. The last thing a US leader can be seen to his own people is weak. It took Jimmy Carter's presidency right down the toilet. God knows his inept handling of the economy had him down in the polls but his mishandling Iran and the hostage crisis was the nails in his coffin.

Your assessment of the Russians I don't disagree with on paper, but the will to fight or cause trouble in any case is a lot more valid on the side of the Russians and the Iranians. Iran's leadership keeps making noises about attacking Israel just because, and the Russians in their handlling of Chechnya or Georgia have proven they are very willing to flex their muscles, and unlike the US, there is no vigourous opposition holding them in check at home.

I don't think this drawdown is as bad as Tony fears, for Secretary Gates signed off on it and he had the same job for Bush, so unlike most of Obama's appointments, this guy isn't a weak kneed liberal on defense. I do think an effective short range missle system for defense still has value and that is what they have. That said, there was no reason to do this except to give into Putin's whining. As for the talking to the Iranians, they will talk all day, but they will do what they are going to do. Anyone believing otherwise hasn't been paying attention.

As for Poland and the Czechs being against this, I have no idea if the populations at large there are against it as much or not, but I do know this much. If the Russians attacked either tomorrow, who is most likely to be there to put a stop to it or at least come to their aid? It wont be the French, Germans or Italians, it will be the US. There is a reason the Americans resent the NATO nations of Europe not taking a vigourous role in Afghanistan and the like, since it shows an apathy about the defense of NATO members. Poland and the Czechs were a little more onside with the US in the last decade or so....
19th September 2009, 06:19
Roamy

We have to quit playing the World's Policeman. We are wasting money. You people have no respect and won't help us. We have enough to blow up the entire world so why should we care. Also Israel has enough to blow up all of Europe and Asia so there is nothing we can do.. Do you think if they are attacked with a nuke by Iran that they will spare anyone. There are what 8 million of them in a country the size of Rhode Island. Go figure!! You TIREs have elected to let rogue nations have nukes - So let it happen!! We don't need to be spending any money on bases around the world. We don't need to spend any money on foreign aid other that to Latin America out neighbors. The Islams will sacrifice a queen for queen as they believe the best in in another life. So I guess if you guys are good with it we should be as well. I am for saving the money. So Russia and China should worry about N Korea taking over S Korea. We should revoke the ban on defense for Japan and let them enter the fray as well. Unfortunately our next problem could be Hugo. I am sad for all of Latin America because of this idiot.

In the end we need a tough leader who will repair capitalism and stop the give away program. But to do this we need a third party comprised of upstanding tough Americans. We need to oust all of congress down to the last lewinski. But it won't happen in my lifetime so I just imagine we will continue down the same path to where people who believe in death over life will control or eliminate the world. You guys are F____ in about 10 years so you may as well start convincing the Taliban that they should field a F1 car and a Ferrari is really nicer than a Camel with a hot poker up its ass.
19th September 2009, 07:01
steve_spackman

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Originally Posted by fousto

We have to quit playing the World's Policeman. We are wasting money. You people have no respect and won't help us. We have enough to blow up the entire world so why should we care. Also Israel has enough to blow up all of Europe and Asia so there is nothing we can do.. Do you think if they are attacked with a nuke by Iran that they will spare anyone. There are what 8 million of them in a country the size of Rhode Island. Go figure!! You TIREs have elected to let rogue nations have nukes - So let it happen!! We don't need to be spending any money on bases around the world. We don't need to spend any money on foreign aid other that to Latin America out neighbors. The Islams will sacrifice a queen for queen as they believe the best in in another life. So I guess if you guys are good with it we should be as well. I am for saving the money. So Russia and China should worry about N Korea taking over S Korea. We should revoke the ban on defense for Japan and let them enter the fray as well. Unfortunately our next problem could be Hugo. I am sad for all of Latin America because of this idiot. \

Go for it. Truth be told we dont need your help anyway. Its not that you are the 'worlds policeman' its more along the lines of YOU poke your nose into other peoples business. Why should others repsect the US, when truth be told they have NO RESPECT for other countries. You go around thinking your the bees knees and i find it funny to sit back and watch you guys flatter yourselves.
19th September 2009, 07:23
steve_spackman

Its these kind of comments Fousto, that make people think the way they do about the US. There are some agendas that i do agree with you about, but sometimes you just take it too far..
19th September 2009, 07:31
Roamy

yes Spackman if I could just pull the plug you can count on the fact I would in a micro second. The vapor from my ass leaving would give you a cold shower !!
19th September 2009, 07:33
steve_spackman

Thankfully however, not all people in the US think the way you and all the other right wing loonies do. You and your right wing buddies seem to have fear and hatred towards everything and everyone that dont agree with you and dont cater to your every whim!

"We have enough to blow up the entire world so why should we care. Also Israel has enough to blow up all of Europe and Asia so there is nothing we can do."

blah blah blah

Stop moaning about it and just blow yourselves up and put yourselves out of your misery!
19th September 2009, 07:41
Roamy

blah blah you have a big mouth until we start packing up and leaving you to fend for yourself. But that day is coming and coming soon Check the news more and more people are thinking like me. Capitalism and a strong defense is what we are going back to and moving ahead with. Matter of fact I don't think the left wing gaycorp will make it through the next election with a majority.
19th September 2009, 07:46
steve_spackman

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Originally Posted by fousto

blah blah you have a big mouth until we start packing up and leaving you to fend for yourself. But that day is coming and coming soon Check the news more and more people are thinking like me. Capitalism and a strong defense is what we are going back to and moving ahead with. Matter of fact I don't think the left wing gaycorp will make it through the next election with a majority.

Yes and when that day comes, the world will be a more dangerous place, having a right wing nut thinking they can dictate to the world...The same thing that happened when Mr Bush was in office. You invaded Iraq because Saddam wouldnt do what you wanted him to do, then you had the nerve to put the leader of that country to death....

Shame on you!!!

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Originally Posted by fousto

blah blah you have a big mouth until we start packing up and leaving you to fend for yourself.

Not at all.

Go work for Fox news. You would fit right in with all the other right wing loonies.
19th September 2009, 09:21
Dave B

America as a country likes to think of itself as the world's policeman but the sad truth is it's more like the world's PCSO: sticking its nose in where it's not wanted, causing resentment and mistrust, but not actually having the clout to make a difference.
19th September 2009, 09:39
Eki

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

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better to be prepared for war and NOT go then to be without any defense with irrational people attacking you.

That's what Russia is doing when it opposes the missile defense system in Europe. They don't trust the US and the NATO, even if you do.

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