And have you seen the YouTube version of Tony's South Florida Motorsports Report?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
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And have you seen the YouTube version of Tony's South Florida Motorsports Report?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
No I haven't. What's it all aboot?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Using those numbers it is obvious....The US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I work in the NHS, it isn't perfect but I can't imagine anything that would work much better.
I love the NHS!
Us Red Commies don't have that big billing staff in the hospital, but the State Government doens't have about 400 drones doing the leg work on charging the government for all this stuff either. The staffing for keeping track of the bills isn't in the hospital, it is in a government building in Victoria BC where I have no doubt there is more than enough government featherbedding to give you the ineffieciencies you so desire.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Furthermore, in my previous working life (or about 3 working lives ago) I worked in a hospital. The admin of the hospital there (Oshawa General then, now Lakeridge Health Centre) was/is making a HUGE salary to justify his existence. My mother, who was a RN there part time made great money but was always having her hours cut back and nurses per floor has been dropping steady since she retired.
What the US critics of this version of healthcare keep pointing out that is there will be rationing of healthcare, or higher taxes to justify this plan. Many who are covered through their employer, or like Fiero paying their own way do NOT want Obama dictating their choices or taking money from their pocket to pay for the illegal immigrant to have healthcare. Believe me it isn't that they are cold or heartless, or love their HMO. They probably hate them about one erg less than the government is all.
What Brits keep buying into is this notion there IS no other way to provide healthcare. The US has and does, and while I wouldn't say it was the best system in the world like Tony does, it is pretty darn good in terms of providing very excellent top drawer service to those who have good coverage, which is a significant number. The people in the US who don't have private healthcare can pay cash or go through the government medicaid/medicare systems which ARE Government health care. And they are going broke...so why would anyone want to "Reform" and expand them and then tell anyone with a straight face taxes are not going to go up?
You are spending the most, but that isn't a measure of performance. Can you statistically prove you are getting your money's worth?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
One doesn't have to go to every country in the world. However, Tony's one sided view aside, the point is there is more than one way for a nation's healthcare system to operate, and the US isn't a third world nation in terms of healthcare. A great number of top notch doctors and research hospitals in the US are doing great work, and the majority of the US population not only has adequate healthcare, they have great healthcare. The issue that skews the stats is the uninsured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
The Uninsured are either the working young or working poor who wing it hoping they dont' get sick, or the illegals, or genuinuely poor. The young and working poor are making a choice (Americans and that right to choose, to succeed or fail). Many will think nothing of spending 100 a month for a big screen for 2 years and then NOT want to pay for health insurance.
Then you have the illegals. Well they are there illegally, so why should the legal citizens pay for their healthcare needs, which are often paying for the birth of the baby (who then is a "legal" citizen with illegal parents. You ever wonder why mothers to be come in 8 months preggers from Mexico?). The taxpayer is paying for this, and they don't like it. Then you have the geninuely poor and working poor. I suspect this is a VERY small number.
Medicare/medicaid exists in various forms in every state to cover most or not all of these people. Some may be in debt to pay for their care if they had jobs or chose NOT to get insurance, but that again was their CHOICE. The illegals and poor are covered and I am still scratching my head trying to figure how what Obama is offering that isn't offered already unless he is going to take AWAY something from those who have to give to those who don't. The hallmark of his presidency. HE is a socialist of sorts after all.
The NHS has saved the lives of both my parents, and is currently doing a brilliant job with a friend of mine who has a very rare form of cancer.
The NHS is the single greatest achievement the British nation has ever had.
As my Grandfather used to say, it made fighting two world wars worthwhile.
Having the freedom of not having a health insurance could potentially lead to very dangerous situations, if for example a more severe swine influenza was to occur. Some people would not seek treatment until very late for costs reasons and lives would be lost. IMO certain things should not be a matter of choice, because people are stupid. Then again, arranging a working healthcare for 200+ million people of which many are illegals is a huge task.It's sometimes puzzling to me how you guys (Americans, don't know about Canadians) over there have very different views on some things even though many of you hail from this continent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
I'm in favour of the NHS in principle, but it has become a lumbering, inefficient monolith. The USA should be wary of adopting any system that resembles the NHS in its current state.