California Budget

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I trust the stock broker, he gets a cut if he does well for me.

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Or he gets it all, if his name is Madoff.

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

Eki: We have 4 parties fedrally and 3 in most Provinces but the screw ups continue.
Fedrally the Conservatives form a minority govt. Most of the discovered foul ups occurred during a Liberal majority, but not all.
Currently Ont. has a Liberal majority.

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We've got more than ten parties, but they are never in the government the same time. The government is formed of parties who can agree to work together and together represent a majority of the members of parliament. Usually we have a center-right or a center-left government, but there has even been a left-right government.

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Originally Posted by Eki

We've got more than ten parties, but they are never in the government the same time. The government is formed of parties who can agree to work together and together represent a majority of the members of parliament. Usually we have a center-right or a center-left government, but there has even been a left-right government.

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You also have a population smaller than Manhatten Island. That tends to make things easier.

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Originally Posted by Eki

I don't know about the UK, but here we have an alternative for public healthcare, if you can afford it. It's called private healthcare.

The principle here is that the society and the government provide the minimum and you yourself provide the extra on top of that.

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That is actually the way it works here in the States. We have medicare/medicaid that take care of those that don't have their own healthcare. I don't know too many people that think those programs work very well. In fact they are going broke. So why don't we fix the programs we have currently before going around and screwing everyone else?

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Originally Posted by Eki

So do us Europeans, we pay for good government services instead.

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Exactly.
I wouldn't want to be one of the tens of millions of Americans who can't afford to go see a doctor just because they think it's not worth paying the taxes required to have a better health coverage.

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

Eki: We have 4 parties fedrally and 3 in most Provinces but the screw ups continue.
Fedrally the Conservatives form a minority govt. Most of the discovered foul ups occurred during a Liberal majority, but not all.
Currently Ont. has a Liberal majority.

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How the heck can you have a minority government?

pretty simple
you need gov programs and you can have private programs. But the kicker is that the public program can have no or very limited malpractic.

Another thing most don't realize is that when you combine all the taxes we pay it is pretty f----- high.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Exactly.
I wouldn't want to be one of the tens of millions of Americans who can't afford to go see a doctor just because they think it's not worth paying the taxes required to have a better health coverage.

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The number most people are spouting on about (45-47-50 million) is just bull.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124579852347944191.html

13%, or 6 million, are illegeal aliens. I don't want to cover anyone who is actively breaking our laws. And anything that has been proposed so far won't cover them either.

"About 43% of uninsured nonelderly adults have incomes greater than 2.5 times the poverty level," So there is a large chunk of people out there who just plain choose not to buy insurance, for what ever reason. Shouldn't people have the freedom and liberty to choose that for themselves?

Sure that still leaves millions without healthcare, but as I've said many times before we HAVE a system that takes care of them. That system may be broken, and in need of fixing. But why does that mean breaking the system for the 75-80% of Americans with adaquate healthcare?

Fix the system we already have to take care of the minority before you go screwing with the majority of Americans. Doesn't that sound like a prudent course of action?

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

You also have a population smaller than Manhatten Island. That tends to make things easier.

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A majority is a majority no matter how big the population is.
For all the population you've got in the US you only have 2 parties, both of them with right (conservative) views, which is giving you little choice.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

The number most people are spouting on about (45-47-50 million) is just bull.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124579852347944191.html

13%, or 6 million, are illegeal aliens. I don't want to cover anyone who is actively breaking our laws. And anything that has been proposed so far won't cover them either.

"About 43% of uninsured nonelderly adults have incomes greater than 2.5 times the poverty level," So there is a large chunk of people out there who just plain choose not to buy insurance, for what ever reason. Shouldn't people have the freedom and liberty to choose that for themselves?

Sure that still leaves millions without healthcare, but as I've said many times before we HAVE a system that takes care of them. That system may be broken, and in need of fixing. But why does that mean breaking the system for the 75-80% of Americans with adaquate healthcare?

Fix the system we already have to take care of the minority before you go screwing with the majority of Americans. Doesn't that sound like a prudent course of action?

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I'm not sure who to trust, you or those who claim there are big problems, but I know that there are big problems from people whom I talked to in person this summer.

What I find appalling is how people who do have more money than they need, and can afford to pay for private health care, can say that there is no need for a change while there are millions who can't even afford to go see a doctor.