Webber V Vettel no white wash yet

Webber. Vettel.

A very, very healthy rivalry brewing there. I reckon one of the best driver line ups in the field if not the best. There is no doubt that Vettel is going to be a star.

Interesting that at the start of the year it was said that Vettel would comfortably account for Webber. So far this hasn't happened.

That said, they've both had a few DNF's. It's easy to say Webber wasn't responsible for Australia or Bahrain but that's crap.

Webber was 8th in Australia cause he stuffed qual. You do that and you're in the middle of the pack. You DNF and that's life. Shouldn't put yourself in that position.

In Bahrain he should have put in a quicker safety lap early. There was no benefit in going out so late in a fast car in Q1. Q3 maybe but not Q1.

How many times has Webber been beaten by his team mate in points? Not many. As of a couple years ago in races where both a teams drivers finish there is one one driver with a higher percentage rate of beating their team mate in the sport. Michael Schumacher.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

You're on!

I'll be in the mood for a Big Kahuna burger by the end of this season.

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These things have to be handled delecately. I have terms that include inclement weather factors. Even I'm not ignorant enough to think SV will lose to mark if there is an inordinant amout of wet races. Terms! Binding Terms :p :

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Originally Posted by Tazio

These things have to be handled delecately. I have terms that include inclement weather factors. Even I'm not ignorant enough to think SV will lose to mark if there is an inordinant amout of wet races. Terms! Binding Terms :p :

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What are you, FOTA?

I want that Big Kahuna burger with extra sauce please.

It's interesting isn't it, purely on the face of it, Vettel is quicker in outright pace (qualifying) and webber is a better racer, but you have to look deeper.

More often then not Seb has been lighter then Mark in qualifying which would have to account for at least some of the speed differential considering that in some sessions of Q1 and Q2 Mark has been quicker but come Q3 with the fuel loads Seb goes back. If you look at Q1 and Q2 times Seb probably still has a slight edge, but not as much. You have to wonder why Red Bull consistantly give Seb the opportunity to out-qualify Mark? Must be incredibly frustrating for Mark you would have to say.

In the races Mark appears to have out raced Vettel on a number of occasions. Some are saying that Vettel's strategy's have been dodgy hence why Mark got past but you could also look at it on the other side and say that Mark just made better use of his strategies then Seb has.

The perfect example of this is Spain where Mark was given a massively heavy middle stint. To make this work Mark had to absolutely drive his nuts off to pass the cars in front, and thats exactly what he did. To avoid being pased Vettel had to build a lead on Webber while he was lighter but he couldn't get the job done.

Webber has had 3 very good races in a row and I think it is very unfair to dissmiss those results on the basis of strategy.

Yes Vettel has an edge in qualifying, but Webber is proving to be a better racer at this point in time.

Vettel is a more special talent then Webber, happy to admit that, but experience does count in the races. I wonder though given Mark's qualifying form which has been a touch below his usual standard, is his leg preventing him from extracting that final little bit out of the car?

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Originally Posted by Ari

How many times has Webber been beaten by his team mate in points? Not many.

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Apart from DC - arguably passed his peak - Webber never had a proper team mate that tested him.

I'm not sure we've seen just how good either are just yet because RBR use Le Mans style hare and tortoise strategies ie. put Webber on a better conventional two stopper, Vettel on aggressive short first stints.

I like the Webber and Vettel pairing.

Webber is quick but not super quick IMHO whereas Vettel can be superquick but needs to mature a little as a racer.

I think ultimatly Vettel will win on points over Mark but Vettel needs to handle the pressure from behind a bit better.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

What are you, FOTA?

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Rather looks like Bernie!

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Originally Posted by wedge

Apart from DC - arguably passed his peak - Webber never had a proper team mate that tested him.

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If that's true it's funny how he got beaten by Heidfeld at Williams.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Apart from DC - arguably passed his peak - Webber never had a proper team mate that tested him.

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It's unfair that you mention DC and don't mention Heidfeld in this respect. Heidfeld tested Webber clearly more than DC ever managed.

I forgot about Heidfeld!

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Originally Posted by ioan

If that's true it's funny how he got beaten by Heidfeld at Williams.

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They were near equal but it depends how you look at it and interpret statistics. Equal at finishing one-on-one, Heidfeld scoring more points, Webber quicker in qualy.