Rumors of Open Wheel's impending demise

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Christ Almighty, Ken!!! We all know the damn ratings suck. Give it a rest already. What the hell do you want? Pull the plug on the whole deal right now, go begging to ABC, and get the same crappy product we've gotten for the last decade? What will that get us, a marginal, very marginal, uptick in ratings? The ratings are so low now that if we went from the ~.4 average to a ~.6-.8 average, what is that like 100,000 more people? Is that really enough to sacrifice the good quality product we have on TV? Give it a chance, if nothing changes in about a year-year and a half, then you'll have every right to bitch.

What would you do if you were in charge to get a better TV package?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvgMIerTXl4

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Originally Posted by garyshell

But there is nothing else that I can see that looks similar at this point.

Gary

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seriosly Gary?

nothing?

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Originally Posted by garyshell

I don't know the answer to this, but how does one compare the ratings from last years pole day which spanned fewer hours with this years? As an advertiser how does it matter to me that I am getting half the number of viewers over twice the amount of time? I am not saying it doesn't matter. I am trying to figure out how an advertiser DOES quantify that situation.

Gary

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sounds like a three day attendance discussion to me....not sure we should go there......might teak a downtowndeco nerve

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Originally Posted by SarahFan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvgMIerTXl4

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Can't watch Youtube here at work. Wanna give me a run down?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Can't watch Youtube here at work. Wanna give me a run down?

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work is overrated

tell me you dont wear a tie and wake up everyday to an alarmclock

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Originally Posted by SarahFan

work is overrated

tell me you dont wear a tie and wake up everyday to an alarmclock

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I don't wear a tie, but I do wake up to an alarmclock. :-(

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Originally Posted by SarahFan

seriosly Gary?

nothing?

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Between the Versus deal and the Spike deal? Nope, I seriously see nothing at all similar between them other than the CURRENT ratings. I truly mean that. The content is VASTLY different. The channel commitment is VASTLY different. The channel promotion is VASTLY different. The potential is VASTLY different. The Spike deal never had a glimmer of hope from day one. The Versus one has that glimmer.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

I don't know the answer to this, but how does one compare the ratings from last years pole day which spanned fewer hours with this years? As an advertiser how does it matter to me that I am getting half the number of viewers over twice the amount of time? I am not saying it doesn't matter. I am trying to figure out how an advertiser DOES quantify that situation.

Gary

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Originally Posted by SarahFan

sounds like a three day attendance discussion to me....not sure we should go there......might teak a downtowndeco nerve

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Who cares if he get's his panties in a bunch. I sure as hell don't. No, really, I am curious about this. I do wonder what the measure is, for the advertisers. I would think that they WOULD factor in the length of the show as well, simply because it gives them the opportunity to get their message out more often. But if the eyeballs are them same does it matter to them? Is one message to 100 sets of eyeballs the same as two messages to 50 eyeballs. Or to put it another way, is one messge to 100 eyeballs the same as two messages to 100 eyeballs? I doubt that either of those "formulas" is right, but I don't know WHAT formula they would use. Hence my question.

But my point is that I think the length of the show is a factor, therefore the .15 for this year is probably not as bad as it looks. It's bad, I agree. I am just trying to figure out HOW BAD in the eyes of the folks footing the bill.

Gary

ChampCar during the low years:

90M in Team Budgets
25M in JJ Sponsor Value

IndyCar 2009

145M in Team Budgets
125M in JJ Sponsor Value.

Neither is a real healthy situation but they are not really comparable.

Now these are my best guess gross approximations I don't want to micro-argue every point but after the 2009 Indy 500 the Sponsor Value for IndyCar will be several times higher than any year of ChampCar.

Now back to the regularly scheduled argument..

Here's to first safe, second good race, and third, let's close the gap on the TV on the Concord 600....

Cya @ Texas!!
Go Horns CWS.....


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Ok Hoop I need some explaination, I'm too slow. Is the Team Budget what they spend? And is JJ Sponsor Value what a Sponsor can expect in return? Or am I way off base?